BREAKING NEWS- India has launched strikes on Pakistan

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More war 😪

If there is conflict here, any rioters should be dealt with very severely. hope the diaspora realises Reform is waiting for just this opportunity.

nobody arguing against theocratical Islam is arguing instead in favour of far right policies

Surely the argument against against theocratical Islam is exactly what the furious right-wingers of Germany, Hungary et al are platforming? Same with Reform here. Reform might be cautiously less explicit, but it's still obvious.

The whole thing is so depressing. It feels like the whole world is in a very dark place right now.

Since they fight over a cricket match. The diaspora here will fight

"Capitalise on it"? Does that mean challenging it and saying its unacceptable? Lots of people will be thinking that, so assume in a democracy political parties would reflect this

Yup, and share so many similarities to their Western Equivalents that it should be obvious.

@Winterwonders24 Its one thing to condemn riots and violence quite another to use it cynically to exploit peoples fear and prejudice in order to gain power. They are not good people, they do not serve the people of the UK, just look at what they want to do to the NHS.

I put this up earlier no-one commented. Genocide doesn't interest people.

Yes, unless they can get a boot into a group they hate, genocide doesnt actually interest people. That is why a currently purported 'genocide' gets huge crowds of stupid and cruel people screaming for the extermination of the only jewish nation in the world, itself a refuge from a fairly recent industrial scale genocide and repeated terror attacks. But the 1971 genocide was pretty real and people were really targetted for their inferior race and religion. The repercussions for the UK is that it harbours quite a few war criminals because it is all "just brownies kicking off" to the powers that be. The hands-off approach has seen home grown terror and risk to the lives of those who speak up. Salman Rushdie? The Batley teacher? A British pakistani woman you-tuber who tearfully posted her good bye video a few hours ago today.

https://www.youtube.com/live/8piwfzbM5WA?si=wGtcAcycP3XoQlfj

Not Pakistan/India specifically of course - just this general inability of the human race to stop themselves killing each other.

@TheWombatleague

"intellectuals on the left have, historically, consistently taken up arms across all classes, to fight against tyranny. "

No they haven't, they have historically justified or sympathised with the worst kind of tyrants.

Historically the worst atrocities have been by the left for example Stalin's Great Terror or Mao's Cultural Revolution or the Cambodian Genocide.

In the UK those that have been the first to sign up to defend the country tend to right leaning working class men.

They really haven't stopped. anti german shite comes out all the time especially in relation to football games.

And so has Britain. We have plenty of home grown terrorists here.

Did you know the CIA funded the taliban in Afghanistan against the Russians?

Yep good idea. Be like America! Trump and Vance are great adverts for upbeat positivity

Would you say that to women? "It's been x number of years since the Equality Act, get over it?"

We export a lot of them.

The CIA provided funds. Their partners, the Pakistani military and intelligence chose who to channel them to. They chose the taliban who started in the pashtun dominated Afghan refugee camps and would have been nowhere without Pakistani mentors. There were other afghan resistance groups who were slowly crushed out of competition - Iran supported Hazara shia (Hezbi Wahdat), the sunni Tajik mujahideen of the Lion of Panjshir, Ahmad Massoud. The Americans were very stupid trusting the Pakistanis and they got bitten by the snakes they raised. The Afghan Taliban turned on Pakistan whom they now loathe and they (Pakistan) have a home grown Taliban problem now the Tehrik e Taliban (TTP). As far as Pakistan is concerned, karma is a real bitch.

You have terrorists because the leftists love importing them, benignly ignoring them as they radicalise, then relativising the problems they cause, finally shouting down anyone who objects as far right fascists, islamophobes, racists etc.

Not that offers what we do as a country there isn't.

Too bad, why are they our problem in the first place

If we're simply ranking atrocities by counting the dead, then Capitalist Imperialism tops the list hands down. If we're ranking based on something else, how do you compare say Cromwell's invasion of Ireland with the Parition of India.

The left have historically fought to fight the right, whether its abroad like the Spanish Civil war or at home against the likes of Mosely.

The left have historically fought to fight the right

It's utterly bonkers that you have to say this! It seems some people are so immersed in class prejudice, nationalism, racism or whichever toxin has entered their brains, they've completely lost sight of the fact that 'left' and 'right' are broadly opposed political belief systems in their own right.

If we're simply ranking atrocities by counting the dead, then Capitalist Imperialism tops the list hands down

This itself tells me that we are dealing with a very unserious person and that nothing will come out of debating with fools.

That's not the original point, but how is recognising class oppression under capitalism any more toxic than recognising, for example, women's oppression under capitalism?