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[Lucelady]

So as not to drip feed she's a Ftm trans person and a universty student.
I've just been called a TERF, JKR supporter and transphobic. We've had four years of peace and understanding with her not wanting any surgery or hormones. She listened to the ruling last week and we chatted it through. The last few days she's been glued to the Internet and her phone. Now it's all changed and her 'friends' have called for action. What that action is I've no idea.
She's stormed out.

Your DC sounds very confused. It sounds like there is peer pressure for DC to fit in with the group they hang out with. A very large number of DC who think they are opposite sex to how they were born, realise later they are no happier living as opposite sex and go back to living as birth sex. In Sixth form I had a student who was female but insisted she was male. I saw her out shopping the other day (about 7 years later) and she was with a man and had a baby with her. She said hello to me and I had to think who it was because in Sixth form she had her hair shaved up really short yet in the shop she had hair around her shoulders. I must have looked surprised or confused because she said do you recognise me Miss? I said her name and she said yes, I've got a baby now. She had a lovely baby about 5 or 6 months. I know when she was in Sixth Form her Mum was worried about her and she often came to class and told me she'd had a fight with her parents.

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I assume OP meant asking about pronouns or trans identity. Unis are hugely captured still, and most academics are nervous about “misgendering” people like your daughter as the consequences can be severely punitive.

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I think you made that bit up.

Could the problem be that you're mis-gendering him?

It could well be that. I suggest Op that you say that you are really sorry and that you have been repressing your own true identity. Asked that you no longer be referred to as “mum” but only Brian or “dad”. Wear men’s clothes and say you want to do father and son bonding things like football or fishing. Get really upset if they say they don’t believe you.

OK. Male clothing is not specific : my DH and myself both wear jeans and a t-shirt. And to have a nickname at uni is not unusual. So far I don't see any "trans" issues with her.

I'm starting to not feel so sorry for them, as a generation, because I'm just irritated by it. The whole thing is ridiculous. You can't argue with facts, biological basics.

every time you see a clip, mostly American tbf, of someone arguing with Ben Shapiro, or senator Hawley, their arguments are so weak.

The thing is that most people don't care what you identify as, and until a few years ago it didn't bother anybody.

Trans people stayed in their lane. and although somethings were used for the most part everybody (other than a few massive dickheads) everybody bumped along quite nicely.

Then a massive changed happened and trans women took over women's spaces, sports, and funding and declared that women were not women but cis women and that TWAW.

If blame is to be apportioned for the reason that women had to go to court to get an official definition of what a woman is than look to the trans side for pushing boundaries and refusing to even define what they were trying to take over.

On a more positive note.
No-one here wants you to disappear.
No-one here wants you to die.
People want you to be happy because they want to be happy as well.

I work in Disability Services at a university and yes, students can sign a consent to share form so that parents can talk to us on their behalf. It's usually for things like DSA, wellbeing etc. It's rare that we would contact the parent before the student and certainly not for things like what their preferred names etc were. It's odd that the university is doing that to the OP.

I'm sorry but you are basically admitting that you violate female only spaces and boundaries. That is unforgivable. Any male that does that can be called a predator. Did you even stop to ask how women feel, when you enter those spaces? You really don't care, do you? Because, I can assure you despite you thinking a third space 'outs' you, none of you pass. Not one of you. No TW passes. I promise you this. Women just don't tell you. And we do see you in our space. Rape survivors like me feel uncomfortable and triggered and traumatised with you there. I am sorry about your dysphoria, but please deal with that in private, don't enter female only spaces. Have the decency to consider others not just yourself. We say no.

The ruling is already being enforced in some places, so it is being enforced. And, sorry, but we feminists will not stop, we will not ever, ever, ever stop until every last male is out of our female only single sex spaces. So it's a third space for you, or the males. That's your choice. We offered a compromise. Third spaces. You refused to meet us half way with that. So you'll be forced to. You want everything your way, you won't compromise. But now you will have to. A gender neutral place does not 'out' you, I promise you, you are outed any time a woman even sideways glances at you. That's it, third spaces or male. Or pee at home. Because you are in our spaces, and we decide who comes in, and you need to show respect and abide by our wishes. We say no more. That's it. You don't have the right to violate the safe spaces of females then make out like you're a victim for being told no. It's not moral for you to do this.

Males always weaponise suicide. It's a method to get control and manipulate to get what they want. It is very much a male thing to do. Sorry but weaponising suicide to violate the hard won rights of the vulnerable female sex class will get you no sympathy. If you're that unwell then you should be hospitalised, not seeking to hurt and traumatise females in our spaces.

I don’t wish to trespass on this forum

It would be good if you also didn't wish to trespass in our female only spaces.

I admit that I don’t understand why some are trying to hurt me, but that I forgive you.

Wow. You don't realise how smug and gaslighting you come across. Forgive us? How dare you! We have done nothing and said nothing that needs to be forgiven for. No one is trying to hurt you by protecting our rights. You, are trying to hurt us. Now, you are gaslighting us as if you are the victim instead of the invader and violater. It's classic DARVO.

It’s a bit rich accusing them of living in an echo chamber with her friends. That’s exactly what MN is right now (and always has been) 😂

...or the echo chamber of Mumsnet has negatively radicalised the OP.

This is a very one-sided take. If you think this, presumably you also fault the daughter for sharing her views. The two of them should just have just kept quiet for eight years? All fine so long as everything’s in the closet.

I know you meant this to be sarcastic and a joke, but it’s exactly why this forum is known for being toxic. Laughing at and mocking people for being different to you isn’t a good look.

Young people have a strong sense of social justice, and will often be passionately anti-racist, anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic. It is very patronising to say that she has been "brainwashed". Anti-fa, anti-racist, anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, pro the environment is the future: you are the one who needs to change, and get on the right side of history.

Like Mumsnet and transphobia.

Poll after poll after poll shows that Mumsnet is representative of the actual true populace.

The OP is not the 'bigot'. Defending females hard won rights is not being a 'bigot' unless you're a Male Supremacist.

Poll after poll shows mumsnet reflects the actual populace.

Being femphobic, misogynistic, male supremacist and removing females hard won rights is NOT 'social justice'. It is hateful, evil and bigoted. And ignorant.

I note you didn't add "anti-misogynistic". That you left that out, is very telling. There is a reason for that and both know it. Misogyny is ok with you.

Like femphobia and your male supremacist movement.