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[Lucelady]

So as not to drip feed she's a Ftm trans person and a universty student.
I've just been called a TERF, JKR supporter and transphobic. We've had four years of peace and understanding with her not wanting any surgery or hormones. She listened to the ruling last week and we chatted it through. The last few days she's been glued to the Internet and her phone. Now it's all changed and her 'friends' have called for action. What that action is I've no idea.
She's stormed out.

@Clockface8 i don't understand your constant aggression.

My daughter stormed out yesterday after a heated discussion. I was very upset and worried.
What other background information to you want and why?

Other posters have been kind enough to share their recent stories. That's it. No other hidden facts.

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Biological facts and the law trump your free thinking. Buying into an insidious, regressive, homophobic, ideology is not free thinking. Abusing your parents because they understand biological reality isn’t free thinking it’s abuse.

The earth isn’t flat, but many people mistakenly believe that it is. People can’t change sex, but many people mistakenly believe that they can. They are opinions, not facts.

Reading comprehension is always lacking in this type of posters.

The freezing point of water is not a 'specific temperature'. It depends on pressure and the presence of impurities

Your DD sounds like a 13or 14 year old, bit a grown-ass woman of 21.

I'm not the one screeching insults or flouncing anywhere, thanks.

So that’s still specific and testable then. The point is that “free thinking” doesn’t get to claim water freezes at a temperature it doesn’t and have that be taken seriously.

In my experience it's the pro-trans lot are the ones screeching slogans (transwomen are women etc) and the gender critical side who actually give reasoned arguments for their beliefs. The pro-trans side seem to collapse at the slightest attempt to get them to provide a logical argument, which doesn't seem to be very free thinking to me - neither does ostracising anyone who doesn't share your conclusions, another key element of the trans movement.

Thank you - and apologies if I in any way highjacked your thread. 🙏

I only shared my experience because it countered the ‘OP must be lying’ posts and showed that your experience is not isolated. I hoped other PPs would find this useful and that, ultimately, it might make you feel better to know there are other living rooms around the country where the same/similar conflicts are playing out at the moment. Walking on eggshells has become an Olympic sport for many of us over the last 5+ years!

Nobody is screeching. It’s a fact. You are born biologically one or the other, regardless of what your brain thinks you might be.

I could dress up and behave like a cat. I could have whiskers implanted into my face. I could live as a cat and eat cat food… but I’m not a cat and never can be one. And other cats will be aware I’m not a cat. I also won’t be welcome to stay in the local cattery, nor will I be allowed to visit the vet rather than a doctor. Because I’m not actually a cat, no matter how much a I dress up and will it to be real. I’m a human masquerading as a cat. Provided I’m not hurting anyone, that’s fine. But I have to realise I’m not going to be welcome at the vets.

God, there’s some bollocks being spouted on here. Some people really hate men, don’t they? And some people really believe teachers teach kids to be trans? And some parents really think they can dictate to their adult children what they can think and feel?

And as for toilets- somebody having a piss in a cubicle is not a violation ffs. Jeez.

Perhaps see it from her point of view - the ruling was quite upsetting for the trans community, regardless of whether you agree with their point of view or not. For them they see it as an attack on their community and are genuinely afraid. Your daughter's reaction is probably one of fight or flight and they will no doubt calm down with time. This issue is very divisive but ultimately in your case it's about your relationship with your child and I think this should be your focus. Focus on being her mum, not an advocate for one side or another, and just listen and offer support.

Rocknrollstar Im really sorry to hear that ,hopefully she will come round in time.I confess Im a little confused as to what goes on really .My GP is a trans person. A really good Doctor though and very kind .

This.

Being a parent doesn’t mean accepting whatever treatment they dole out to you as grown adults, while being a bottomless pit of love/support/enablement

It’s actually very much not in their best interests to do that.

Tell her you will no longer tolerate abuse, and you deserve the same respect as anyone else - she can come home when she’s willing to treat you like a human being

I just want to pick up on your teachers comment.

I seriously suggest you look up a video of an experiment where children of about 4 were offered either an Oreo cookie or $1000. They all chose the cookie. Kids do not have the cognitive function to make a choice about experiences they know nothing about.

If you have your own children - or have even met one - remember how you might tell them the park is closed, or when the ice cream van plays the music it means they have no ice cream? Kids believe that, because you're a trusted adult and they have no other frame of reference. That doesn't change because you're telling them something you as an adult deem to be more important?

I mean - from a teacher perspective, I don't especially enjoy when religion and god is taught as fact, and I would be even less happy if my small child was being taught that they could change sex as fact.

(and let's be real here, it's not a case of "well I'll just explain how SOME people feel this is true and some people don't" etc. because kids cannot parse something complicated like that)

The accusations your level in those who disagree with the same accusations they would level at you. You’re not making sense and you’re certainly not making a logical argument. And your use of the word ‘screeching’ shows your misogyny.

Talking about bollocks being spouted....imagine coming on a feminist site and accusing women and girls, some of us rape survivors and DV survivors of 'hating men'.

There are countless examples of teachers transing children at school and refusing to talk to the parents about it. That you are ignorant about that says everything about you.

And yes, a male being in a female only safe single sex space where women flee males, miscarry, rinse/dry bloodstained underwear, mooncups, adjust their clothing etc at the communal sinks IS a violation. Females have these spaces for safety, privacy and dignity. What sort of sick person thinks it's ok for males to enter these spaces where women and girls are vulnerable and in a state of semi dress?

You have not truly, genuinely thought about this issue at all. Other than hating women.

I truly, genuinely have thought about all this. And I truly, genuinely think some people on here are spouting bollocks. Imagine.

I’m a woman (not a trans woman). I don’t hate women, but I do have the right to disagree with other women whose feminist agenda has made them as extremist as the trans activists they claim are taking over the world.

Did you think about women in prisons with men? Like Isla Bryson? Or your elderly grandmother who has dementia being upset and being called a bigot when an obvious man called Jennifer arrives to do her intimate care? Or how trans men might miss out on pregnancy care, or other female-only gynecological care because they've been classified as male? Or how trans women might miss out on prostate exams for the same reason?

Or like everyone else I've asked this question of, have they just been silent on those because they'd hadn't considered it was wider than "just toilets"?

Having said this - you're entitled to your own opinion. I'd just like to see what exactly you think is bollocks even when faced with actual examples.

Like what? Can you give an example?

Edit: sorry should have said - I'm not trying to catch you out, I really want to understand what you're talking about. I'd also really like to know if you can show how feminist's extremist thinking has actually effected real change and isn't just a few hardcore man-haters talking about female separatism (as my own example!)

You have the right to your opinion (and to ignore the sexual attacks in prisons and wards, sporting achievements lost, recent banners about killing women...).
I have the right to celebrate that legally men cannot say they're women (and have women's rights).

A 21 year old girl has spent 8 years of her life being unable to decide which sex she is, which name to use, being pressured by her peer group and finally ranting at her Mum - but its women calling this shit out that are the extremists.
Yeah, right.

A lot is about peer pressure reinforced by the frankly delusional teaching establishment. Yes I’d say kids are brainwashed in PSHE lessons. That was my personal experience. We don’t allow maths teachers to say 2+2=5 (at least I hope we don’t) so I don’t know how this nonsense has been allowed in schools paid for by our taxes!

It’s not bigotry to not want a male rapist in a female prison or a man cheating his way into a sporting even in order to take prizes from women. We have different bodies. It’s a fact. No amount of cosmetic surgery and toxic hormone treatment can change that.