How have you been affected by the Tran's community?

[BabuFrick]

As there are so many posts on here that discuss Transgenderism, has anyone been directly affected by the Tran's community, good or bad?
I'm quite young and only know one Tran's gender person, as far as I'm aware.

That person shouldn't really be using the men's as it's equally transgressing men's boundaries but frankly if they pass as male well enough and can get away with using the men's it's far less of a problem than men using the women's. However if that person wants to use the ladies they will probably have to contend with questions from people who clock them as male - however that's kind of a consequence of altering your body with synthetic hormones. If you're a woman who makes yourself look like a man then you can't really be surprised when women think you're a man.

I’m saying that just because someone is scared of something it doesn’t mean they’re right to demand others are excluded so they feel safe.

Well that’s ok then. I didn’t need to be scared.

as long a a bloke in a dress gets to do what he wants and go where he wants it doesn’t matter who he scares or upsets.

sounds about right.

on that basis we don’t need to be scared when we realise a man is behind us walking home. He’s probably just walking the same way. Or the creep who chooses the same empty tube carriage.

have you never been in a circumstance where you are scared?

race has nothing to do with it. A woman in a female toilet, where they are expected to be, does not cause fear in the same way. They are less likely to be able to physically overpower me, and I’m pretty sure that don’t have the ability to rape.

I wouldn't be happy sharing a cell with anyone accused of sexual abuse whether they were male, female or trans.

Yes I'd be happy for a trans person to care for me or my loved ones. It's no different to having male nurse in hospital or having a male surgical team.

I'd love that know the percentages about trans people 'dominating' female sports teams as I am certain that's not the case.

I'm not 'trying to be kind'. I'm just a human being, getting on with life rather like them. I'm far more impacted by the vitriol and prejudice that's around than by someone living their life in a different way to the one they were born into. Perhaps if gender stereotypes weren't still so rife people wouldn't end up feeling they were born into the wrong body.

Do you work? I have received a caution at work after making a single statement about biological reality (boys do not have periods) in direct connection to my work, in response to a pupil's question. There are many areas of employment where acknowledging biological reality has been problematic for professionals in those fields. I was not reported by a transperson, but by a colleague identifying as an ally to transpeople, who had become deeply immersed in gender ideology and felt my statement was transphobic. The ideology itself and its associated activism is deeply problematic, even if individual transpersons are not.

On a personal note, I have a close relative whose life is a mess following their transition. They are now disabled, riddled with pain, autoimmune disease and chronic infection as a result of cross-sex hormones and reassignment surgery, and is resigned to lifelong medication and procedures. Detransitioning is off the table, as they fear their support and social network would disappear in shunning and backlash. Again, it is the ideology that is pernicious; my relative is lovely but wishes their challenges had met with different support as a young autistic, same-sex attracted girl.

Oh please. Men are statistically MUCH more violent than women, and trans women are grossly over represented in the sex offender category. The same is absolutely not true of a different ethnicity and it’s a pathetic attempt at false equivalence to suggest there is an analogy there. I would fear a Black man in a women’s toilet but not a Black woman, just as I would fear a white man in a women’s toilet.

i only wish my transman friend with a full beard will be welcomed into the ladies without an equivalent campaign. I someone how doubt his life will be so straightforward any more.

Biological women are always welcome in the ladies! Full beards don’t scare me, my husband has one. I don’t want males around my daughters, bearded women are fine. And I can continue the discussion with my girls that no one can change their sex as my eldest is autistic and has gone through a phase of ‘wanting to be a boy’. Chromosomes are chromosomes and are here to stay no matter what hormones or plastic surgery one has.

They are men. Why do you think men wouldn't let them use the men's?

I've had students walk out of my classes both in mass silent protest and after arguing loudly in a very rude manner for refusing to agree that everyone has a gender identity, and that you can change sex.
A colleague reported me for harassment for basically saying the same. And suggested on social media that I should be fired. A student called me a racist, again on social media.
One of my DCs had a child in their class (KS1, under 7) declare - backed up by parents - that they were now the opposite sex because of the clothes and toys they liked.
That's just a small flavour. I have to check on all residentials that my children will be in single sex dorms.
Various male students in dresses in our workplace loos, including when female Muslim students are in there.

How dare you describe women's need for single sex spaces as akin to racism. The Supreme Court has just clarified that the Equality Act protects women from discrimination on the basis of their sex. 99% of sexual offenders are male and 97% of those raped are female. Do you understand why women need spaces away from men? Men who identify as trans have the same - or possibly a higher rate of sexual offending as other men. Can you see why women need spaces away from all men yet?
www.sexsegregation.org.uk/by-country-jurisdiction

And men don’t have the right to demand to enter female spaces, whatever their intention.

putting others in fear so they can feel included or validated is just their male privilege showing.

Men can be very misogynistic and homophobic, but that's the man's argument to have with his fellow men, not anything to do with women.

I’m glad you believe this. I do t for one minute believe ANYONE with a full beard will be welcomed into a women only space and his life is about to get very very hard indeed.

Thankfully the law doesn't agree with you :) it's perfectly lawful to exclude men from women's spaces to BE and FEEL safe.

Nasty? For wanting access to disabled facilities? Interesting take you have there.

I did say, didn’t I, that said (able bodied) trans person was using our loo for an hour at a time for goodness-knows-what?

You realise some wheelchair users have disabilities that mean they can’t physically hold on for an hour?

We were all perfectly delightful to the person in question. There were very evident emotional imbalances there.

We were considerably less enchanted by the HR person who was presiding over the whole fiasco.

That person shouldn't really be using the men's as it's equally transgressing men's boundaries but frankly if they pass as male well enough and can get away with using the men's it's far less of a problem than men using the women's. However if that person wants to use the ladies they will probably have to contend with questions from people who clock them as male - however that's kind of a consequence of altering your body with synthetic hormones. If you're a woman who makes yourself look like a man then you can't really be surprised when women think you're a man.

(posting again since you ignored my earlier response)

This is so fucking offensive.

As a brown person, letting me in your spaces does not pose an equivalent level of risk to allowing a male person in a woman's changing room.

You racist.

It’s perfectly legitimate to exclude men from women’s spaces, because they don’t belong there 🤷🏻‍♀️
And you absolutely did compare men in women’s spaces, to women of ethnic minorities in women’s spaces, suggesting they’re similar in terms of the fear they’d both engender in (presumably white) women.
You are completely despicable.
Shame on you.

Do you genuinely think women cannot tell she’s female??? Because in person I’m pretty sure most will definitely know.
yes she might get some odd looks but rejecting your sex is a fairly odd thing to do, no?

I can’t get facial hair removal on the NHS or paid for by my private health cover because I’m female. A transwoman can. (My insurers won’t cover anything to do with pregnancy, menopause or PCOS but would pay if I wanted my perfectly healthy breasts removed or a fake penis made out of my arm flesh.)

My teen daughter won’t go near a swimming pool for fear of being flashed by a “lady dick”.

Two friends have children that transitioned and then de-transitioned. Healthy breasts removed/damaged by binders and sterile from hormones. At risk of early menopause and osteoporosis.

@BabuFrick here is my 100 million dollar question that I just don’t get.

you are fine giving up your rights so trans people can choose how to identify in loos, prisons, refuges, workplaces. You think We should all lie for them and pretend not to notice they are in fact trans.

I don’t want to do that.

why do you think you can speak for me, but I can’t speak for you ? Your opinion affects my day to day life. Why do I have to put up and shut up?

They don’t need to demand anything. It’s been legally decided that for a fair and proportionate reason certain areas or jobs can be single sex.

What was clarified is that means biological sex. No one is being excluded because everyone has a biological sex.

Very few people, of either sex, are transphobic.

<your erroneous apostrophes are equally triggering, BTW>