So how do I live in the female gender?

[Definitelynamechanged123]

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

I'd like to underline this. Surgery has never been a requirement to obtain a GRC and the fact that you imply it was makes me wonder.

Please don’t speak for anyone else on here, you don’t know what we all individually believe.

I have no issue with trans people until they ask me to believe that they have actually changed sex, because no one can, sex is immutable. I will not accept lying about something that is fundamentally untrue and as a result is harmful to women and girls. The whole ideology is regressive, misogynistic and dishonest. I have genuine sympathy for young people with body dysmorphia, as that is usually because they have experienced trauma/abuse as children, but they need therapy, not irreversible medication and surgical intervention, which leaves them with lifelong health issues.

Nobody is directing their anger at anyone. They are pointing out that being a born woman is not the fantasy most born males have in mind.

This is a good example of how you live in the female gender, OP.

If you have an opinion (even if it is based on the law or science) or want to tell men, "no", that makes you angry and negative.

Always put everybody else before you and in the necessary event you break under the weight of it, be prepared to be looked upon as the mental one.

Just concentrate on being you, if you’re happy because you have transitioned than thats your joy there. As a woman, that’s what is on my birth certificate which correlates to all our gender at birth I am more concerned with the fight that women have on a daily basis.
In the grand scheme of history, we haven’t even had the vote that long, historically couldn’t get mortgages, credit cards, abortions, enter professions etc etc. This is a victory for women because if one trans can enter our changing room and attack us than thank god sense has prevailed

Nobody is "taking it out" on this poster. They're giving their opinions. if they wanted the thread pulled, they can do so.

I am a biological woman and have no idea what it means to “live in the female gender”

To me, gender ideology is absolutely nonsensical. If as much research and as many initiatives had taken place to refute the stereotypes of males & female pursuits, interests & clothing as was done to research transgender studies and pronoun use then I think people would be happier with the sex they were born into instead of feeling the need to change themselves to fit in with the way they feel.

I don’t see how you could ‘be done for perjury’ either, op. Could you please elaborate?

You can’t live as a woman and you are a man.

TBF a gender recognition certificate has always been worthless because a piece of paper is never going to make people disbelieve what they can see with their own eyes. The whole thing is a charade from beginning to end.

Are you telling women how to think and express ourselves when answering a question posed by, and having a dialogue with, a trans person?

By what right?

Well quite
I remember seeing a TW having a tantrum on TV claiming that people told them they were a woman all the time.
Funnily enough those of us who ARE women neither get nor need such "validation"
I could get enough GRC to wallpaper my front room and it would not make me a Biological man

The Supreme Court Ruling stated there was a problem with the GRA.

Therefore we should be having a discussion about it.

A lot of it, is honestly going to be difficult and controversial in parts, but we should be talking about it and whether it's still relevant.

Part of this is whether it was legally literate in the first place. And part of it is whether it was ever legally in line with the Human Rights Act (which predated it) and whether it became even more dysfunctional with the passing of the laws around Gay marriage and civil partnership and the Equality Act (which post date it).

The trouble with GRC is precisely because they are so mired in sexist concepts and indefinable definitions which in terms of law are effectively utterly useless.

We should be talking about this and how it isnt coherent with women's rights to privacy and dignity to just allow males access to female only spaces.

I wish we didn't have to have this conversation because I feel so many people were sold a lie and we're allowed to build a fantasy that never existed. It has failed so many people in many different scenarios.

It's genuinely not worked for anyone.

Well, presumably you actually do know how to do that. You swore a declaration that you had been doing just that.

If in any doubt, don’t ask us, Mansplain it to yourself. HTH.

Stating biological facts that are material to the lives of women isn’t transphobic. I’m sure you could find something better to do than trawling Mumsnet to scold us all for our non compliance to your ideology.

Exactly what I was going to say.

I had to swear a Statutory Declaration in front of a magistrate which is legally binding.

So breaking it would mean I had lied to the court. Which is perjury.

But what would breaking it mean.

According to some people, I've already broken it by posting on here - and that's stereotypicallly male - so clearly behaving as a male. So I could get jailed for 7 years.

You don't know what it is to be a woman yet you're convinced you are a woman? Herein lies the problem. You could never know the intricate biological and social experiences that us women feel no matter what surgery you have. I believe trauma therapy is a better route. I find this offensive to women that men are impersonating our experience, and think all it takes it to put on a dress and remove body parts. I hope you get the help you need, and am very pleased with the outcome ruled in courts today.

Is this a reverse?

You're right. It would be.

i dont think living as a woman can be defined, as you say, although I think its a better system to only give GRCs to people that at least show commitment and doeasnt just open up womens spaces and shortlists to anyone that feels like it.
There have always been people who are deeply unhappy presenting as their biological sexes gender stereotypes, and feel very strongly about it. Ive known and still know many people like this and I wish them peace and happiness like anyone else.
I wish the whole thing hadnt been taken over by online porn obsessed fetishists and furries. It shouldnt have even got to the stage where we needed to fight for basic reality to be recognsed.
The whole GC position is that the stereotypes are what is bullshit, and yet its being framed now as if we just want everyone to conform

Could you edit your OP to correct the notion that you need surgery to get a GRC, @Definitelynamechanged123?

Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s not true, is it?

What did you think it meant when you signed it?

I think the GC was an exercise in appeasement. The certificate is meaningless in every sense of the word. It certainly wouldn’t guarantee you a place in a prison for women for instance. Even before the SC ruling.

My sense is that the trans community demanded something like a birth certificate, but it’s rather toothless.

MN as a whole wishes you the best op. Whatever you do with your life. We are not the haters here.