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So how do I live in the female gender?

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Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 14:28

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

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usernamealreadytaken · 18/04/2025 22:56

Unsureabouteverything · 18/04/2025 22:36

That's v interesting (and horrifying), thanks! Could you link to where you found the statistics?

No problem, it’s from an FOI request
https://fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FOI-200615022-data-FINAL.xlsx

https://fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FOI-200615022-data-FINAL.xlsx

Nominative · 18/04/2025 22:56

I think you carry on more or less as you have always done. If you look female, carry right on using female toilets. People like you have been doing so for decades without anyone knowing or caring.

LobeliaBaggins · 18/04/2025 22:58

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If you think this is about hysterical women obsessing about toilets, I can't help you. It's not.

pinkstripeycat · 18/04/2025 22:59

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 15:49

" ie admiring our own bodies, dressing as if it's Saturday night every day, pillow fights and sleepovers. These are the ways in which a mans brain would imagine what being a woman feels like and why so many women get pissed off- you essentially make a mockery of us, caricatures of females and frankly, it's bloody insulting."

That sounds like you have a stereotype of what trans people are like.

I presume you don't like stereotypes about women - but are you ok with stereotypes about transwomen?

You don't know me and what I am like, how I present..

I think PP has a point.

I have a trans woman sibling. Hasn’t had full
surgery but has breast implants and takes hormones. Announced he was female 15/16 yrs ago when aged 22. He said to me “Who wouldn’t like a nice pair of boobs to play with.”

Ummmmm not me and not a single woman I know. To just sit and play with your own boobs would be really odd.

MuchasSmoochas · 18/04/2025 23:01

There was a FTM trans student I worked with in a college who used the Male toilets and they were brutes to her. Just appalling treatment. So we worked with her and chose a block of female loos and put a sign up
saying Trans Men Welcome with a few sentences on biology. Guess what, it worked fine. Women look after their own.

ThisJadeFinch · 18/04/2025 23:01

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Needspaceforlego · 18/04/2025 23:02

MyShiningTigerLight · 18/04/2025 22:37

The baby died.

There have been other cases where a trans man has been found to be pregnant in the preparation of a hysterectomy thanks to routine pregnancy tests for female patients, which go against the wishes of trans health wishes, where they want to be treated literally as the opposite sex.

That's so sad 😔.

ThisJadeFinch · 18/04/2025 23:02

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MaidOfSteel · 18/04/2025 23:04

Many millions of women go to their GPs with health issues every day and are not taken seriously or simply brushed off. ‘It’s all in your mind’ or ‘it’s just part of being a woman’ etc etc. We can tell you’re a man because your doctor clearly took your issues seriously.

You can never know how to live as a woman. You can only live as you imagine or fantasise we are. Just be a good person instead, and don’t intrude on the protected single sex spaces that women fought for years to get.

Kath85 · 18/04/2025 23:05

SpaceBunHun · 18/04/2025 15:08

And please keep out of women’s safe spaces. Men, of which you are one, are a massive danger to females.

SOME men, most are not. How offensive to our partners, fathers, brothers and sons

recipientofraspberries · 18/04/2025 23:06

Hoppinggreen · 18/04/2025 22:47

Its impossible to prove a negative but I am very very confident that Trans people look like their original sex and nothing anyone else says and no amount of photos will convince me otherwise.
They think they pass because nobody points at them and screams "MAN" or "WOMAN" at them but that would be just rude.
TM are women and I have never been sexually assaulted or leered at or treated like shit because of my sex by a woman so why would I have an issue with a TM in a women only space?

You're talking about photos vs real life and I do see your point, and a lot of the time you're right; it's easier to make yourself look a certain way in a photo than in real life.

I have met and spent time around trans people (trans men and women) in real life, though, who do pass. And not just via some generosity from me; widely, they pass.

Lilactimes · 18/04/2025 23:06

Sunnywalker · 18/04/2025 22:41

@Definitelynamechanged123

What’s the difference between attitudes in Thailand and here ? Genuine question.

It’s much more liberal, almost celebrated, not feared so much and the surgery is the best in the world IMO.

borntobequiet · 18/04/2025 23:09

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The false equivalence comment was on the attempt to equate transgender identity with homosexuality. Sexual orientation and sexual misconception with regard to one’s own body are completely different things.

LobeliaBaggins · 18/04/2025 23:10

Lilactimes · 18/04/2025 23:06

It’s much more liberal, almost celebrated, not feared so much and the surgery is the best in the world IMO.

I have lived in Thailand. I didn't notice any transwomen in womens spaces, sports or health facilities.

MuchasSmoochas · 18/04/2025 23:10

@ThisJadeFinch peer reviewed by idiots: “The histories of women’s toilets, therefore, were never a fight for all women’s liberation; rather, they are a reminder that ‘woman’ was (and often continues to be) used as shorthand for white, wealthy, non-disabled, cisgender and heterosexual women.”
BS.

chrissycn · 18/04/2025 23:10

I've seen a rising number of people saying that they transitioned because they hated their penis and not because they wanted to change gender. I fear that this isn't a trans issue just another way of self harm like to eating disorders.

Needspaceforlego · 18/04/2025 23:12

Lilactimes · 18/04/2025 23:06

It’s much more liberal, almost celebrated, not feared so much and the surgery is the best in the world IMO.

Men being men the world over and all through time.
How would Thailand deal with their Isla Brysons?

LookingForwardToSunshine · 18/04/2025 23:13

Hi @Definitelynamechanged123
Please may I ask why toilets are so important to you? (Genuine question.) When my children were babies I found a lot of public toilets unsatisfactory for my needs (the baby changing facilities were very limited and stories of kidnapping of young children were sadly rife in the news then - there was certainly no way I was going to leave my baby out of my sight while I used the toilet). In an ideal world every toilet would have accommodated me but the reality was that for physical / space reasons they often couldn't. Instead I discovered the places I could go easily and went there instead. I'd have expected there to be enough unisex or disabled toilets out and about for you to use, for toilets not to be too much of a problem? (And it actually comes across to me as being quite privileged to expect to be able to use public toilet facilities in every location as there are still many groups of people who can't.)
Surely it's more important to you / the Trans community that you're still able to access the medical services necessary for your sex instead? Or that transmen still have the rights associated with pregnancy and maternity care for example? Both things that the supreme court ruling protects and one of the reasons I see it as a good thing for all.
(Apologies if I've worded this question badly / tactlessly, I'm a bit tired.)
Thanks for your thoughts
@Definitelynamechanged123

LobeliaBaggins · 18/04/2025 23:16

Needspaceforlego · 18/04/2025 23:12

Men being men the world over and all through time.
How would Thailand deal with their Isla Brysons?

In Thailand, transwomen are not allowed into womens prisons. Thats how.

Umbrellasinthesunshine · 18/04/2025 23:16

How do I “live in the female gender?”. Women are exhausted, and already carry an insane mental load so how about figuring that out for yourself?? It’s not our job to fix that for you. If you’re really wanting to embody the female gender it’s time to learn that everything is on you babe. No rest, no respite, no excuses, no mistakes, don’t be ugly, loud, fat, sad, grumpy, weird, confident, or too shy and don’t you DARE not be kind. Absorb male behaviour, dont complain, don’t whine and don’t age. Look pretty, but don’t be vain. Don’t be stupid but don’t you dare be clever. You’re welcome.

CliantheLang · 18/04/2025 23:18

Has anyone posted this yet? You know, for all the talk about how harmless men are when they claim to be something they're not?

transcrimeuk.com/

2021x · 18/04/2025 23:19

@Definitelynamechanged123

If you are still here. I acknowledge that it must be a difficult time for you now to get your head around this week.

It is important to not note several things.

  1. The judgement on Wednesday didn’t change anything. It clarifies that “woman” in the act always intended to mean female sex and the single sex spaces were always for the exclusive use of females due to the threat of sexual violence from males. Therefore whoever told you were permitted to access them was wrong and everytime you do this you were contravening the law.
  2. When you chose to transition, you should have been counselled on the fact that a majority of the population will see you as a male in at least some circumstances. This should have been part of the process. When I emigrated I had to prove that I understood the history and culture of the country I emigrated to. It should be the same for people transitioning especially trans-women.
  3. It is important to understand that it is impossible for you to “feel” like a “woman”. Woman isn’t a feeling. What people describe as feminine is the result of the objective reality of living life as a much smaller bodied person, with monthly hormonal fluctuations and in a world where they are hugely politically overpowered. You may strongly identify with some of this, and in combination of intense self-loathing (dysphoria) may lead to you to think you are a woman, because you don’t feel the way you think you should feel if you were a man.

There are some bad actors in the LGBT+ space who are telling people that this is the worst time for LGBT people and their enemy is women (especially lesbians). I have observed these people to mainly be men/male. This has harmed the LGBT community, and has fractured it.

Nominative · 18/04/2025 23:20

SpaceBunHun · 18/04/2025 15:08

And please keep out of women’s safe spaces. Men, of which you are one, are a massive danger to females.

Come off it. Self-evidently you can't claim that any and every man constitutes a massive danger to women, and a post-operative transman with a GRC is going to be way down the risk register. I'm prepared to bet that if OP was in the Ladies at the same time as you, you wouldn't even notice.

Raquelos · 18/04/2025 23:20

Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 14:28

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

Honestly, to be one of the best of us, as evidenced here and beyond; know your value, give no fucks about social pressures and live your best life for you and yours. Everything else is just a bullshit social construct, tune it out if you can. Best of luck x

Nominative · 18/04/2025 23:23

LobeliaBaggins · 18/04/2025 19:53

You can do as you please.

I want a woman only ward for ceetain treatment and a woman to give me a pap smear or a mammo. I am now entitled to it. I think most women do. Sex- NOT the woo woo of gender identity-makes a difference to me and the law agrees

The OP will have to be uncomfortable in the men's ward. Tough luck.

Edited

Except that is not what the judgment says. People really are reading too much into it.

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