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Has the US crossed the Rubicon? - Trump thread #142

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Spandauer · 15/04/2025 18:42

Here be dragons.

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Llttledrummergirls · 20/04/2025 23:34

The news from Sudan is awful, but not unexpected. Trump has blood on his hands.

TomPinch · 21/04/2025 00:22

Serpentstooth · 20/04/2025 22:53

Isn't Musk's 'legion' a reference to the biblical legions rather than the Romans? End times folks, fall on your knees. I have a suspicion that even being 'saved, hallelujah' won't be sufficient to turn back the four horsemen. Hands together, eyes closed . . .

'Legion' singular would be a reference to Matthew 8:28–34; Mark 5:1–20 or Luke 8:26–39, which would be the driest of irony if that's what he truly meant.

TomPinch · 21/04/2025 00:24

But nothing to do with the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, which is not in a passage that's in the Gospels.

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DeanElderberry · 21/04/2025 08:04

TomPinch · 21/04/2025 00:24

But nothing to do with the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, which is not in a passage that's in the Gospels.

It is from Revelation, which is a canonical New Testament book.

Igotjelly · 21/04/2025 08:32

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-told-to-sack-pete-hegseth-over-reports-of-second-war-plans-group-chat-13352966 Another group chat and this time he was sharing it with his wife and personal lawyer 🙄 I think we can safely assume nothing he does will get him fired.

SerendipityJane · 21/04/2025 09:18

Anyone want to argue with the suggestion that God is calling his own ?

TokyoSushi · 21/04/2025 09:19

And so JD Vance appears to have been one of the very last visitors to Pope Francis…

Igotjelly · 21/04/2025 09:20

TokyoSushi · 21/04/2025 09:19

And so JD Vance appears to have been one of the very last visitors to Pope Francis…

The Pope refused to meet him 😂 think the King was one of the last people to “meet” with him.

Igotjelly · 21/04/2025 09:20

If I was dying I think I’d refuse to meet JD too. Fuck that being one of your last earthly experiences.

RafaistheKingofClay · 21/04/2025 09:21

DuncinToffee · 19/04/2025 22:08

I see Vance has done a Truss and killed the Pope.

TokyoSushi · 21/04/2025 09:22

Oh did he @Igotjelly- well done Pope Francis!

Spandauer · 21/04/2025 09:26

I hope they've detained Vance for further 'investigation'. Imagine taking your last breath with the Hill Bully Couch-fucker staring into your soul.

Vice President JD Vance met with Pope Francis at the pontiff’s residence in Rome on Sunday, the Vatican said, in a previously unannounced visit during Easter celebrations.
The Vatican said the meeting was a “brief” exchange of Easter wishes that lasted “a few minutes.” In a photograph released by the Vatican, the pope is seated in a wheelchair opposite Mr. Vance as the pair talk.
The meeting came after the pope criticised the Trump administration’s deportation policies and urged Catholics to reject anti-immigrant narratives, in an unusually direct attack on the American government.

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Serpentstooth · 21/04/2025 09:31

War plans only shared on WhatsApp? Definitely missing a trick, they're slipping. A true entrepreneur would have put it on pay per view with freeview for Russia. Thank heavens that Vance has been to the Vatican though. Guidance from such as him is just what Christianity needs otherwise its ethos could be misconstrued as Sociaulism. Who could want that? More guns please and no more loving thine enemy. That's for wusses.

RafaistheKingofClay · 21/04/2025 09:37

I’m guessing TikTok is out of favour for sharing war plans.

TulipTiptoer · 21/04/2025 09:38

Igotjelly · 21/04/2025 08:32

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-told-to-sack-pete-hegseth-over-reports-of-second-war-plans-group-chat-13352966 Another group chat and this time he was sharing it with his wife and personal lawyer 🙄 I think we can safely assume nothing he does will get him fired.

I found this appalling. Make a 'mistake' once and appear to get away with it... but do it again? Your wife and a couple of buddies in chats about war plans? It is so obvious that Hesgeth has no experience whatsoever and it shows.

He should be sacked.

Lalgarh · 21/04/2025 09:42

TokyoSushi · 21/04/2025 09:19

And so JD Vance appears to have been one of the very last visitors to Pope Francis…

I see the Immediate connection is being made with Vance.

Pope Francis seemed frail yesterday at Urbi etc Orbi but didn't have a breathing mask from what I saw.

Igotjelly · 21/04/2025 09:43

I think I’d die dead too if I had to engage with that soulless cretin.

Spandauer · 21/04/2025 09:49

Hesgeth is a clown but sadly US citizens and (more importantly) the rest of the world are the ones stuck in the circus tent.

When he was confirmed as Defence/Defense Secretary he said he would stop drinking... so which journalist is up for asking him if that's still the case?

...promised senators he's stopped drinking and won't drink if confirmed, according to Missouri Republican Sen. Eric Schmitt. Some of the misconduct accusations included claims he has been drunk in public.
"He offered up to me, and I know he has with other senators too, that he's not drinking, and that's not something he's going to do when confirmed here," Schmitt said a day after meeting with Hegseth.
Sen. Roger Wicker, the incoming chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, which would vote to send Hegseth's nomination to the full Senate, affirmed that Hegseth committed to not drinking if he was confirmed.
"The allegation was made about him being intoxicated at several times and so the questions that every member will be asking him led to his statement," Wicker said.

Pressed to confirm Hegseth told him he would stop drinking altogether, Wicker replied, "That's right, that's exactly right."
North Dakota Republican Sen. Kevin Cramer said he was encouraged by Hegseth's pledge in their private meeting Wednesday to abstain from alcohol as defense secretary.
"He said, 'My commitment is to not touch alcohol while I have this position,'" said Cramer, who lost a son to alcohol addiction in 2018.
"I said, 'It's really important that we have a clear-eyed secretary of defense if the phone rings at 3 in the morning.'" Cramer said. He said Hegseth replied that he would be clear-eyed at "3 in the morning, 3 in the afternoon, and every hour in between."
abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/pete-hegseth-back-scrutiny-grows-misconduct-allegations/story?id=116444894

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Lalgarh · 21/04/2025 09:50

Vance is now in India to butter up the BJP. Will he castigate them for attacking converts to Christianity and various other ills like he has done with the western European democracies?

Lalgarh · 21/04/2025 09:58

Wallaw · 21/04/2025 09:53

This article outlines the looming death toll of the aid cuts. How these people can live with themselves is beyond me.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-rubio-musk-foreign-aid-millions-dead-1235321188/

They're not overly bothered by it BC they aren't white.

It's of a piece with Musk's fretting about creating legions of (white) offspring. Although it looks like he has a preponderance of boys which is pretty pointless for creating babies long term

Wallaw · 21/04/2025 09:58

Has anyone been reading about this? The tldr is that tech donors who gave over 240 million to Trump's campaign want Greenland, for its rare earth minerals, and to create a libertarian bonanza that they can rape in a regulatory vacuum, free for all.

Guess the sudden lust for Greenland is explained.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/15/trump-greenland-donors-investors-finance

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/greenland-freedom-city-rich-donors-push-trump-tech-hub-up-north-2025-04-10/

Trump donors eye potential bonanza if US succeeds with Greenland land-grab

Ethical doubts over role of campaign backers and investors with financial ties to president worth hundreds of millions

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/15/trump-greenland-donors-investors-finance

Wallaw · 21/04/2025 10:00

Lalgarh · 21/04/2025 09:58

They're not overly bothered by it BC they aren't white.

It's of a piece with Musk's fretting about creating legions of (white) offspring. Although it looks like he has a preponderance of boys which is pretty pointless for creating babies long term

Yes, but even a racist sociopath should be able to understand, from a selfish perspective, the principle of creating treatment-resistant mutations.

Lalgarh · 21/04/2025 10:02

Wallaw · 21/04/2025 10:00

Yes, but even a racist sociopath should be able to understand, from a selfish perspective, the principle of creating treatment-resistant mutations.

You'd think they would...

Spandauer · 21/04/2025 10:06

...But not everyone is happy. On 21 April, the day of Vance’s arrival, India’s biggest and oldest farmers’ union, the All India Kisan Sabha (AIKS), has called for nationwide protests to oppose a trade deal. The union says trade liberalisation could devastate farm incomes, particularly in the dairy sector.

...Meanwhile, memories are still fresh in the Modi government of large-scale farmer protests in 2020–21 that forced the repeal of controversial farm laws.

...Tensions are also flaring over student and H-1B visas, often awarded to tech workers. The Congress leader Jairam Ramesh has flagged US data showing that of 327 recent visa revocations for international students, half involved Indian nationals.

...Concerns over H-1B visas, long vital for Indian tech workers in the US, are mounting, too. Indians accounted for 70% of all H-1B visas last year, more than 200,000. Uncertainty over re-entry is prompting many to cancel visits home.

...Although Vance is primarily on a working visit, his trip will have a strong personal element. The family will tour the royal palaces of Jaipur and the iconic Taj Mahal. Officials say the “private component” underscores Usha Vance’s Indian roots – she was born in the US to Indian immigrants – and deep ties to India.
www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/21/jd-vance-heads-to-delhi-for-talks-on-fast-tracking-trade-pact?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Hope Usha's 'papers' are all in order when they return to the US.

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