Labour isn't working Thread 2

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

Yes it's already apparent from what I've read this morning. I'm zoning out of the reform bashing threads for a bit.
The labour lovers should look in the mirror if they want to see nasty intolerance.

Agree on both counts

I didn't think Kemi was the right person for the job, so I suppose I'm biased. She should have been able to destroy Starmer at every PMQs after what Labour have done over the last 10 months. Talk about open goal.
I would have preferred James Cleverly. I like his record from his time in government, and he's more likeable imo.

Robert Jenrick looks likely to succeed her, but I'm not fond of him either. I'm very kean to hear other's views about him?

Yes, they are expecting that and are going to be super aware of it. Once they've made headway with pot holes hoping people will notice common sense is best and get rid of wokeness.

Amen to that!

He has already mentioned about Tories/Reform working together as has some peoples heart throb Rees Mogg. The opportunity to get on the gravy train is not to be missed

@Pedallleur was that a nudge to me re JRM no apology needed

I'm aware of that. I'm sure some kind of coalition is discussed regularly amongst conservative MPs. I was asking for the opinions of posters from the centre to right. The posters who may vote Conservative in the future.

Lucy Powell has referred to the rape gangs scandal as a little trumpet, a dog whistle. Repulsive woman. She was being asked about the C4 documentary if anyone hasn't watched it.
C4 Groomed: A National Scandal.
https://news.sky.com/story/conservatives-call-for-labours-lucy-powell-to-resign-over-grooming-gang-remarks-13361129

I’m not sure what will happen with coalitions etc

I like Kemi but she has a really hard task and a lot of her fortune is tied to Labour’s failing on smash the gangs. The higher crossings the more support goes to Reform from them and from Labour too.

Plus generally people being annoyed at Labour / Starmer /Reeves. Reform is becoming the give them a kicking party.

I also thought Rishi had a better grasp on the economy and Boris was taken out by a revengeful strategist.

Anyway here we are and I’m not sure what will happen. I get the view on Cleverly but really Starmer doesn’t answer anything in PMQs anyway beyond black hole etc nonsense. Although maybe he wouldn’t belittle and bully so much, I think that’s due to his own failings.

Thank you @EasternStandard good to hear your thoughts.
Kemi was good on Kuenssberg this morning. I may yet soften 😁.
Zero accountability from Labour still. Streeting said they need more time, and denied that they had done anything wrong. Lucy Powell has apologised, so we can all move on. The mind boggles.
Boat crossings this year now 11000, but its the bbc's fault that people voted Reform.

I’d vote for anyone who could stop the faster further bullshit that is now emanating from Labour.

Each time they use a script. That’s enough to think god make it stop.

@EasternStandard god me too don’t they realise how stupid they sound it’s a really nonsensical statement it’s just bad grammar and meaningless twaddle

Agreed.

Most ignorant, racist Reform hahem, UKIP voters quite happily voted Brexit "to get the foreigners out." Then they are the ones who had the audacity to complain aboht the fall out of this afterwards. Lets see what happens when the NHS is privatisated, and they have to dig into their savings, they'll not be quite so far right then.
F* young people, and the environment. Farage doesn't care about the future of the planet, as afterall the self serving idiot will have popped his clogs by then. It's mostly boomers who got mad at the results of policies they voted for and decided to vote for a reactionary racist party instead. Then they have the ignorance to call young people lazy for struggling in a system designed to massively benefit homeowners so boomers can get rich sitting on savings, owning their houses out right.
All this, while young people are getting penalised from every direction imaginable but progressive, inclusive attitudes prevail. Boomers have benefited immensely from a rigged system for years, and have always had immense political influence to change anything that wasn't working.

Congratulations, you have managed to play the hoary old race card, the environment, the NHS, and made a stab at blaming the boomers for the country’s ills.

And then we get to the real heart of the matter - home ownership (which negates all the other fiction you seek to rely on)

You had your vote, and presumably you voted in Labour. Well, your beloved party is notable for having made a massive fuck up of governing within a year (not the 14 years of successive Tory administrations).

Reform are simply the consequence of Labour’s failings. I would recommend you get used to the UK’s swing to the right - it’s coming.

Hope you'll be pleased with your far right vote. I don't agree with all of Labour's decisions so far at all, but I'll fully judge in a few years. There is ALOT of shit the Tories and Brexit have left behind to wade through first. I'll review how I'll vote in the future as always depending on the shitshow left behind, but you can bet your bottom dollar it'll not for be for the racist far right pri*s.

Ah yes the boomers, they're to blame for everything apparently 🙄

Another tired old cliche - my ‘far right vote’. And still, you are not listening…

Tell me you accept that people can hold views, opposed to your own, and not be considered extreme (actually, no need). You can simply go down with your ‘far left’ love affair.

Perhaps Starmer will now move right? Either way, you will be on the wrong side, my friend.

I will accept people make different choices, yes of course. Do I judge Farage voters? Absolutely.

@ChangeisntalwaysfortheBetter I never understand this sole racism charge agaisnt the right, unfortunately the left has shown hideous racism also, at one point Jewish leaders were begging people across the media in papers not to vote in corybn far left because they didn't feel safe??

*'You had your vote, and presumably you voted in Labour. Well, your beloved party is notable for having made a massive fuck up of governing within a year (not the 14 years of successive Tory administrations)."

Let's not forget Liz Truss crashed the markets, and we haven't recovered from this. Boris and Rishi are deeply immoral, tax avoidance etc etc. Let's also remember Boris, and Farage campaigned for Brexit, and promised they would plough "billions" into the NHS. Brexit results in a shortage of staff in key areas.
There is only a certain minority group of people that would benefit under a Reform government, and it certainly isn't a majority.

Why not judge any party that has racism?

Using my eyes I'd say right now the tories seem to have had more diversity in in it? Across race and sex

Corbyn is yesterday's news. Farage is todays. Are you saying Reform aren't racist?

What tax avoidance?

’Truss crashed the markets’ - please explain, or again, are you simply regurgitating what you have read.

Do you have any meaningful understanding of financial markets?