Thread 21 Starmer - Casting Nasturtiums

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I don't have a link, I read it on the thread/s

I don't have a link, I read it on the thread/s

Could you at least link to the threads then?

The one Pandora posted is basically 'my neighbour told me'

One link is 3 posts previous (post 99) by PandoraSox, & many other active threads.

So you have only read this via posts on mumsnet, nothing apart from that?

I will reserve judgement for now until there is something more concrete than hearsay.

My mate down the pub told me that ‘gullible’ isn’t in the dictionary any more. Who would have thought it?

Erm "nothing apart from that"
Schools are closing. My eldest DD school (which she went to after being assaulted) has made redundancies.

My other kids x2 state school is receiving no more from the education budget - £1.8 billion & 6000 more teachers is/was a cruel deceit

In just the high-court case there are examples of educational freedoms (enshrined in ECHR law) covering single sex education, religious choices and SEND requirements - these are not hearsay unless you insist that every experience has to be typed up by a journo to be authentic

Many kids education are being severely impacted - shame on Labour (of which I'm a member)

Did you believe that 6000 teachers would be recruited, £1.8billion would be raised and parents of SEND kids would happily be tapped up to fund this eutopia?

That’s not the point, is it? You posted and we’ve asked for evidence, beyond just your personal situation. As the saying going, ‘anecdotes are not data’.

When it comes to school choice, SEND is the only valid argument. I would have liked to see some form of rebate for SEND children in private education.

Single sex education and religious education are wants, not needs, and should not be exempt from anything or be given special treatment.

Will the examples currently being discussed in the high court case not suffice as evidence then ?

Is it possible that the outrage about PS Vat is putting the focus on how dismal the SEND system is?

Are human rights (education / religious freedoms etc) not important to you then? or just the human rights like Rwanda that appeal to tribal political instincts

It is possible to care about more than one thing at a time, if that’s what you’re suggesting.

There have always been private schools closing. There used to be 4 schools run by 1 ancient charitable trust in my local town. A few years ago they consolidated into 3 and these were highly respected schools. I can think of 3 other independent schools I was familiar with because colleagues children attended them that closed. 1 at extremely short notice due to financial mismanagement, the other 2 with a term or 2 notice, can't remember the reasons for those. All well before Boris Johnson was pm so totally unrelated to VAT. I'd need to see proper data driven evidence not anecdotes about individual schools.

Are you seriously comparing PS Vat to the Rwanda scheme?

Absolutely - but then placing a tax on those 100k SEND kids who find a route through when their other routes have failed them is truly appalling.

More funding for state schools & SEND seems obvious but that is not what Labour are doing - and just throwing red meat out to the voters who just like a bit of performative cruelty is equally unacceptable

Where do you numbers come from?

To be honest I think it's a much worse outcome for many kids - although I was truly appalled by the Rwanda scheme

I meant on the particular issue of councils paying the VAT on school fees which you specifically posted about.

I am aware of all the other issues around VAT on PS fees and don't appreciate your tone.

Apologies for my tone, I sometimes get frustrated with the hearsay evidence that all will be fine - and the disingenuous claim that it's for the greater good - people will only be hurt by this policy.

Councils use private schools for their SEND provision - its not too much of a stretch to believe that they would pay the VAT to limit the cost of switching a kid to a more expensive state offering

The ISC, previous legal advice from Lord Pannick to Labour, newspapers, mumsnet threads & personal experience

Ah ok.

I will just leave you to it then.

Plenty of other threads on this already.

Genuine question: do you really care about human rights as enshrined by the ECHR ?....or just those parts of the ECHR that you think are valid/more valid/appeal politically

Thanks but before you go, could I ask you for your sources of info; that everyone will be fine, the greater good will be served, that state education will get more funding & 100k SEND will happily be tapped up an 20%tax?