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Thread 21 Starmer - Casting Nasturtiums

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DuncinToffee · 31/03/2025 09:14

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5298316-thread-20-starmer-spring-statement?page=40&reply=143217222

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SerendipityJane · 01/04/2025 16:23

PickAChew · 01/04/2025 12:55

BBC factcheck reckons that a lot of those people returned themselves.

Well BBC factcheck is a fucking load of rabble rousing shite then, isn't it ?

The "fact" they decided to frame the "check" that way implies that a removal only counts if it's done in the most expensive and draconian way possible. Which - if that is your criteria for a removal over the actual fact it's a removal - means there is no hope for you. Get orf my thread.

PickAChew · 01/04/2025 16:38

SerendipityJane · 01/04/2025 16:23

Well BBC factcheck is a fucking load of rabble rousing shite then, isn't it ?

The "fact" they decided to frame the "check" that way implies that a removal only counts if it's done in the most expensive and draconian way possible. Which - if that is your criteria for a removal over the actual fact it's a removal - means there is no hope for you. Get orf my thread.

Aye. I was (briefly) commenting on the BBC's take on it. Completely ignoring that many of those who left would have wanted some control of their exit and dignity after being told they can't stay or they're not likely to be allowed to stay. The suggestion that it only counts if they're dragged out of bed at the crack of dawn by a team of burly, shouty blokes just feeds into the illegal immigrants pushing their luck narrative.

PickAChew · 01/04/2025 16:45

Sorry, maybe I handled that wrong, @SerendipityJane - I should probably have gone in a huff because you're bullying me. Or something.

Extra tax. I found this squatter in the garage, earlier. I had to forcibly evict the stupid flappy bugger in a jug.

Thread 21 Starmer - Casting Nasturtiums
SerendipityJane · 01/04/2025 16:57

PickAChew · 01/04/2025 16:45

Sorry, maybe I handled that wrong, @SerendipityJane - I should probably have gone in a huff because you're bullying me. Or something.

Extra tax. I found this squatter in the garage, earlier. I had to forcibly evict the stupid flappy bugger in a jug.

I wasn't shooting the messenger 😀

However, my point stands. If you are less happy that 24,000 illegal immigrants left of their own volition than you would be if they were rounded up in handcuffs and paraded into a van (with a Theresa May approved "foreigners fuck off home" poster on the roof) and put on a flight (all at taxpayers expense) then you are a disgusting specimen of humanity.

The last thing I would want to do is offend any racists reading this.

DuncinToffee · 01/04/2025 16:59

Rwanda was 100% voluntary, wasn't it?

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DuncinToffee · 01/04/2025 17:01

SerendipityJane · 01/04/2025 16:57

I wasn't shooting the messenger 😀

However, my point stands. If you are less happy that 24,000 illegal immigrants left of their own volition than you would be if they were rounded up in handcuffs and paraded into a van (with a Theresa May approved "foreigners fuck off home" poster on the roof) and put on a flight (all at taxpayers expense) then you are a disgusting specimen of humanity.

The last thing I would want to do is offend any racists reading this.

The inhumane footage from the US comes to mind.

I suspect Braverman would happily have posed like Noem

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Notonthestairs · 01/04/2025 17:09

DuncinToffee · 01/04/2025 16:59

Rwanda was 100% voluntary, wasn't it?

with the added bonus that they were offering £3,000 per volunteer.

Approximately £370 million for the Rwanda scheme (but that wouldn’t have covered all payments so it would have been more)

DuncinToffee · 01/04/2025 17:29

Up to £3000 financial help with returning home is a government scheme, subject to eligibility.

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itsgettingweird · 01/04/2025 17:33

DuncinToffee · 01/04/2025 16:59

Rwanda was 100% voluntary, wasn't it?

For the 200 who could be taken it was supposedly so.

not sure how voluntary the voluntary aspect of it would have been!

It’s was also an eye watering amount per person

ThatbloodyRoblox · 01/04/2025 17:34

The MP for Clacton who I understand is notoriously hard to find in his constituency, decided my little town was the best location to showcase his greatness today 🤮

PandoraSox · 01/04/2025 17:38

ThatbloodyRoblox · 01/04/2025 17:34

The MP for Clacton who I understand is notoriously hard to find in his constituency, decided my little town was the best location to showcase his greatness today 🤮

I am so sorry. Thoughts and prayers.

DuncinToffee · 01/04/2025 17:39

itsgettingweird · 01/04/2025 17:33

For the 200 who could be taken it was supposedly so.

not sure how voluntary the voluntary aspect of it would have been!

It’s was also an eye watering amount per person

I meant the 4 immigrants who actually went to Rwanda, they went voluntary.

The scheme itself was forced relocation deportation.

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ilovesooty · 01/04/2025 17:54

ThatbloodyRoblox · 01/04/2025 17:34

The MP for Clacton who I understand is notoriously hard to find in his constituency, decided my little town was the best location to showcase his greatness today 🤮

Someone told me on Facebook yesterday that Farage did his constituency work diligently and the residents were very pleased with him. I asked how many surgeries he'd done. No answer.

dontcallmelen · 01/04/2025 18:33

ilovesooty · 01/04/2025 17:54

Someone told me on Facebook yesterday that Farage did his constituency work diligently and the residents were very pleased with him. I asked how many surgeries he'd done. No answer.

Hmmm nil comes to mind the fecking spiv.

Evenstar · 01/04/2025 19:04

Just seen the Tory party election broadcast for the local elections, they’ve only reused the much derided one they made for the General Election with supposedly impoverished pensioners losing the WFA, one of whom had a £1,000 plus reading lamp and a Rolex and another who can afford the Daily Telegraph.

Maybe it’s the Tories struggling to pay the bills.

itsgettingweird · 01/04/2025 19:06

I can quote believe there are many who adore Farage. Like there’s many here who adore Braverman. It’s why they get voted in.

nowt so queer as my neighbours folk!

ThatbloodyRoblox · 01/04/2025 19:15

PandoraSox · 01/04/2025 17:38

I am so sorry. Thoughts and prayers.

thank you 🤣

Willowkins · 01/04/2025 23:28

Flower tax to prove I'm human

Thread 21 Starmer - Casting Nasturtiums
Zonder · 02/04/2025 06:48

Nice flurry of PS VAT threads yesterday, particularly about how many schools have had to close. Nobody mentions the financial gains of the VAT changes to PS.

cakeorwine · 02/04/2025 07:57

Just posting for Liberation Day!

This is where it would be good for Starmer to do something as a response to help the UK out with the tariffs - conditions have clearly changed since Brexit and "oven ready deals" and doing a good deal with the EU and framing it as supporting British manufacturing in the face of economic war would be a good way to frame it.

We need growth - and reducing trade barriers with trusted trade partners is one way to do it.

dontcallmelen · 02/04/2025 08:09

cakeorwine had a discussion with a friend yesterday & we both said virtually the same I’m not convinced the Labour Party are brave enough unfortunately would very much like to wrong though.

Cheguevarahamster · 02/04/2025 09:07

Zonder · 02/04/2025 06:48

Nice flurry of PS VAT threads yesterday, particularly about how many schools have had to close. Nobody mentions the financial gains of the VAT changes to PS.

I noticed that too.

Daddybegood · 02/04/2025 09:49

Zonder · 02/04/2025 06:48

Nice flurry of PS VAT threads yesterday, particularly about how many schools have had to close. Nobody mentions the financial gains of the VAT changes to PS.

Clearly the ECHR court case currently being heard is driving more interest in this area but the news flow about schools closing, no more budget for education etc is also provoking a reevaluation.
Each school that closes reduces tax take by £100s of thousands as people lose their PAYE jobs & spend less in the economy - like the kids switching to state ghis wasn't in the financial model.

We read yesterday that SEND parents are going back to their Councils for their kids education whose solution is to offer to pay the VAT (ffs!) or switch the otherwise settled kids to special schools at greater cost (weve also read 20 councils now close to bankruptcy driven by SEND costs)

Labour have conceded that without the 100k SEND kids at private school (without an ECHP designated school statement) paying VAT, the policy becomes financially unviable - the reality ofcourse is that it's fiscally negative even without tapping up SEND kids

Of all the utterly mad & self destructive policies we've gone through in recent years e.g. Brexit, Rwanda etc - applying a sales tax on education is certainly up there with the worst - would expect many more threads - but so much damage has already been done

DuncinToffee · 02/04/2025 09:53

Where did you read that yesterday?

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PandoraSox · 02/04/2025 09:58

DuncinToffee · 02/04/2025 09:53

Where did you read that yesterday?

There was a thread yesterday where someone claimed a council was paying the VAT, but I haven't seen anything reliable about it happening, so would be interested to know this too @Daddybegood Do you have a link, please?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/private-school/5306627-school-fee-vat-and-the-council-surely-this-cant-be-happening

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