PIP for ADHD

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Been in the news this morning as labour looking to slash benefits bills the cost is enormous and growing.

One of the main points discussed was getting PIP for ADHD I did not think this was possible …🤔.

We are taxed more than ever so cuts will abve to be made but surely this is madness giving out PIP for ADHD …there are genuine claims but… they said there are a 1000 new people per day now claiming PIP…so those on the make are going to spoil or for genuine a claims but something is very wrong 😦with the benefits system.

The numbers we are spending on benefits are incredible …let’s see what they slash but cuts are coming under Labour as it’s got out of hand.

I’m managing “fine” in the same way as people here going on importance of PIP for ADHD manage or expect to manage

i incur a lot of additional expenses
i paid for private therapy and coaching
I intend to try the meds when I stop breastfeeding

as I said providing access to therapy is nit the same as handing out money for extra costs incurred, or for individual carers

I have. We got refused.

I have applied. We got refused. It is bonkers.

So appeal .

Appeal .

Do the ADHD or mental illness stats only include those for whom ADHD is the sole condition on the claim? Or is it just everyone who's put down ADHD? I have ADHD and it's on my PIP records, but my PIP is awarded based on the impairments from my other conditions. Some data probably still makes it look like I get higher rate mobility due to my ADHD.

And what do we do during the lengthy amount of time it will take to increase NHS capacity to provide services for people with ADHD and mental illness? It took 14 years to run things down to where they are now. It will take years to build it up again. So do we just leave people to rot? That will bring an increase in homelessness and crime. These things are not simple.

Fabulous. You can afford all that. Lots of people can't. Your 'I'm all right, Jack' attitude is revolting.

My 2 DS's both have ADHD, one more profoundly than the other. The most affected one can't manage his money. He is so impulsive he spends money on something not really needed then a couple of weeks later will struggle to meet his mortgage. The only reason he got the Morgage is because I gave him deposit, I found house for him, I did all paperwork with him to allow him to make his application. He often runs out of money not because he doesn't earn enough but because he handles money poorly. I have been through several strategies with him like making him a spreadsheet of what his costs are and how much he has left each month to spend. I've also suggested splitting his left over money into 4 so he doesn't run out out after 2 weeks. He's fine in almost everything else but handling money and impulse control. He hasn't applied for PIP because it's meant to pay for things for disabled people. His needs are he just needs someone to reign in his spending on random things he thinks he needs but then discovers he doesn't. He jokingly calls me his financial controller because he rings often to ask what he should do or to borrow money until he gets paid. He can cook, shower and dress himself, take care of personal hygiene, read, ok at Maths it's just the handling money he struggles with.

And with homelessness, increased crime, increased impacts on people etc what happens? Massive pressure on NHS crisis services, pressure on police, pressure on court system, pressure on social services. Making things worse for people is not the answer…..as we can see from the increase in ill health claims.

The stats include anyone with ADHD. Or anyone severely disabled that has depression.

Ridiculous then really.
I don't think I've ever met a physically disabled person who doesn't have some kind of co-occurring mental illness. I mean, most of us are dealing with some level of trauma for a start, whether from an accident, an illness and decline in functioning, or multiple hospital trips, operations etc in childhood. I like my life, but I'm not going to claim it wasn't very difficult to cope with mentally when I got ill and lost the ability to care for myself in many ways, and that obviously had a knock-on effect on my existing mental illnesses.
Obviously there are those with ADHD who are sufficiently affected to qualify for PIP on ADHD alone. But I'm willing to bet there's a lot more of us who are either qualifying based on a completely different but co-occurring disability, or on the cumulative disabled effects of a constellation of conditions, one of which happens to be ADHD.

Is that true though, that 10% of the working age population claim PIP, as said upthread? Either it's an incredibly difficult benefit to qualify for with a virtually 0% fraud rate, OR 10% of the working age population are on it! It CANNOT be both, so which is it? That's millions of people!!

Good point. The government have changed a lot of benefits lately.

@Morph22010Pip has nothing to do with work requirements on UC. Nothing. You can get PIP and LWRCA, you can get PIP and still be expected to work full time. The two are not remotely linked.

But in that example the removal of the old in work benefits sustem - WTC - caused the poster to have to claim PIP so she could continue to work part time. How many people have had to move over to PIP so that they could at least manage to continue to work part time?

If you get PIP to enable you to work part time does PIP ever outweigh your income?

whats revolting is you think that people should get money without checks how they spend it and whether it actually helps their condition

people should get what actually helps for ADHD, through NHS. Not a state sponsored PA and not state sponsored compensation of costs brought on by ADHD (which is essentially costs from being extremely disorganised)

There is 0% fraud rate because you aren’t meant to provide receipts what you spent it on and it’s not means tested. So not many metrics to have fraud by definition. So 0% fraud rate doesn’t mean anything in this context.

Any constructive suggestions about how we are going to bridge the gap between the time when the NHS can handle the support people need and now? Of course not.

Noone checks child benefit is spent on children? We spend 12.5 billion on that.

We check the child exists, but people can spend it on getting thier nails done.

It also needs to be considered that mental health is multi factorial in the stressors that contribute towards it: one can’t medicate and talk people of out of shitty lives - and there’s a lot of shitty lives being lived out there in shitty overpriced private rentals with no money to do much more than barely survive.

That's the thing. Some people, because of their health conditions and disabilities, will only ever be able to work part time. So we have to choose: give them PIP so they can work, or cut it off with the very real risk that they then cannot work at all, rely on benefits even more or sink into poverty? With the added complication that poverty and poor health go hand in hand, so cutting off PIP will cost the state more, not less.

Labour seem to be proposing welfare cuts, how does that build things up again?

Quite. Some people put it in savings, so they don't need it. Also the infrastructure needed to check what everyone is spending their benefits on would be mindblowingly expensive, and such a system would have serious implications for article 8 of the human rights act. The courts would be tied up for many years.