PIP for ADHD

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Been in the news this morning as labour looking to slash benefits bills the cost is enormous and growing.

One of the main points discussed was getting PIP for ADHD I did not think this was possible …🤔.

We are taxed more than ever so cuts will abve to be made but surely this is madness giving out PIP for ADHD …there are genuine claims but… they said there are a 1000 new people per day now claiming PIP…so those on the make are going to spoil or for genuine a claims but something is very wrong 😦with the benefits system.

The numbers we are spending on benefits are incredible …let’s see what they slash but cuts are coming under Labour as it’s got out of hand.

Motability offers several BMW cars. The retail cost of the most expensive is £54315.00 so something is wrong with the figures you quote.
Someone on PIP getting this model through motability would pay an upfront cost (ie not covered by PIP) of £8000 and then £75.75 per week from their motability to lease it for 3 years. They could only get the enhanced PIP payment if they could prove their need. It's not easy.
I do get higher rate pip on both criteria; I'm a quadruple amputee (no hands or feet). I have a motability car (which my husband drives). The remainder of my Pip (about £100 pw) pays for a PA who comes for 2 hours weekly to help me, a weekly cleaner and some of the extra cost associated with being disabled - adapted equipment, wheelchair servicing, higher electricity / gas / water usage, etc.
It's really hard to be awarded PIP and really upsetting when the current media narrative suggests those claiming PIP are scroungers. I think more attention should be paid to looking at why so many people are becoming disabled and what can be done to address this.

Yes that definitely happens all the time!

Disabled people are rolling in it with their Fancy cars that they get for free .

Well based on most replies being defensive and/or rude it is right that it’s reviewed as soon as someone asks a question they get jumped upon…

I had no idea an ADHD diagnosis could mean a PIP payment and I think you’ll find a lot don’t know either …but will do now as a result of tv/newspaper current coverage.

I know people who get DLA for ADHD dc & that isn't means tested nor is attendance allowance.

I told someone I can't have a Ferrari because it's too small for my purse with all my benefits cash in so I've got a Rolls Royce. My send kids also have a Rolls Royce education (if you know, you know).

People are just bored of uneducated assumptions. If you're that concerned why haven't you educated yourself on how pip works?

I have helped hundreds of people with Attendance Allowance applications and none of them ever give ADHD as a health conditions. Is it just that pensioners have never been diagnosed with it ?

I got a mini birkin (well one in every colour to match whatever I'm wearing that day) and only carry £100 notes, saves space.

A rolls Royce is a good idea though, might go buy one on benefits day next week.

People are fed up of utterly ignorant people thinking they know what they’re talking about regarding disability benefits.
But since you think you know all about the benefits bill please do go ahead and tell me a) which broupd of yhd population makes up more than 50% of the benefits bill and b) which is larger: the benefits bill or tax avoidance and evasion, and then tell me how much money the government spends on detecting benefits fraud compared to how much it spends on tax fraud?

No defensiveness here. I'm lucky enough to work ft and never have needed benefits. I do have ADHD, the approach I take is that it's more empowering not to rely on the kindness of strangers because they're usually not very kind and your op vindicates that! (I can't actually drive because of my ADHD so I do wonder about the wisdom of encouraging it more generally but some people have a family member to drive them).

I don't think you care or want to understand the criteria for specific disability benefits,

What exactly do you think is “madness” about people claiming PIP for ADHD? Can you explain why you feel that way, OP?

If you didn’t know it’s possible to asks with severe learning difficulties or severe problems with executive functioning then you are a bigger issue than the benefits bill to society.

such levels of ignorance will have a greater effect on many things than a disabled person will.

That’s what I’d like you to know? It’s become much more of a recent /generational thing….you do not hear of pensioners being diagnosed with it I agree.

ADHD usually comes hand in hand with another diagnosis, may that be ASD or anxiety etc. A lot of people with ADHD have to rely on other people a lot just to be able to function in some way. Medications can be hard to get right and come with many side affects. PIP people are not all benefit scammers and if it makes their lives easier then I can't see a problem with them getting extra help and support. Empathy is something you should learn OP. Maybe do some research on these disabilities rather than making yet another benefit bashing thread.

For ADHD, PIP can pay for a personal assistant who takes over life admin, budgeting, ensuring appointments are logged and attended. It can also cover a cleaner, gardener, healthy ready meals for those who get enormously overwhelmed with these tasks.

ADHD can impact someone's life enormously. Even if you see someone working full time, holding that job down, outside work, there's just nothing left in the tank for everything else. Couple it with crippling anxiety and a world that's constantly telling you that you're wrong and shit. Now do you see why someone with ADHD may need PIP?

Ironically, in order for me to actually complete an application, I need someone to take the lead in doing it.

If you are going to benefits bash disabled people, at least get your facts right. The Mobility element is fixed to a specific level. You can have any car you want or need, but you pay the excess over the PIP level yourself.

BTW - a good few of us who receive PIP ARE taxpayers. The reason that I have been able to pay tax for the last decade has been because I received PIP - without it I would have been unable to work.

Many conditions that might seem minor can actually legitimately qualify for PIP, depending on how they affect day to day functioning.

However, there is no doubt that many people make fraudulent (but successful) claims for benefits. This isn’t acknowledged in MN, and if you ever try and say it you’re accused of “benefit bashing”. I think a lot of people on MN are very naive.

Someone posted on one of the other benefit basing threads that she had never previously claimed pip/dla but had managed her condition by working part time and was able to claim tax credits. When she was changed onto universal credit as there is a work requirement she would no longer have been able to continue working part time. As she was unable to work full time she had to put in a claim and was awarded pip which meant she didn’t have to fulfil the work commitment to claim universal credit

i would hazard a guess that alot of the new claims over the last few years are similar

Yes if you get enhanced mobility (not so likely with adhd) you can use your mobility allowance for a car including a bmw with a large down payment. It s a leasing scheme . But so what? Is someone going to chop their legs off to see what they can get ?

www.bmw.co.uk/en/topics/buying/new-cars/motability.html

Op, honestlyI think problem are getting defensive as your post appears to be saying that anyone with ADHD that gets PIP is a scrounger

The replies appear to be from people sick at having to defend their very real needs to someone who has chosen to take a headline at face value and not recognise the hoops they’ve had to jump through to get it.

Even without reading the story I know that it won’t mean that everyone with an ADHD diagnosis will get it. My daughter is in the process of being diagnosed for ADHD and we expect very little from the authorities in return except perhaps a few bits of support at exam time and for her to understand why she is the way she is to help her navigate relationships of all kinds later in life. We wouldn’t consider applying for benefits as she frankly doesn’t need them; with a bit of support she will be able to work. If the money is redirected in to support that’s all for the better.

It’s the dog whistle response to a headline that people are mad about.

Exactly ! 👍

No, that will not do for myself. I have my eye on a Bentley!!

Gosh your ignorance and judgement is astounding, OP. I'm guessing you're just posting to goad people?

ADHD is the underlying cause of many well-known conditions you might be able to grasp more easily. Severe depression, chronic anxiety, agoraphobia, poor memory, hoarding, eating disorders, inability to hold down a job or live independently, maintain relationships, manage money, sleep disorders. People with ADHD, like me, tend to hide the extremes of their behaviours because of crippling shame, which causes its own issues with self esteem and social skills. We also find it very hard to be consistent and stick to routines. This is because we have impaired executive function due to the dopamine deficiency in our brains.

As with many conditions, severity depends on the individual. And unlike what you seem to think, not everyone with a diagnosis would be entitled to support. However, if someone who suffers chronically with much or all of the above could get some support through PIP money to, let's say, keep their job and pay taxes, that's a good thing, no?