PIP for ADHD

[marshmallowmix]

Been in the news this morning as labour looking to slash benefits bills the cost is enormous and growing.

One of the main points discussed was getting PIP for ADHD I did not think this was possible …🤔.

We are taxed more than ever so cuts will abve to be made but surely this is madness giving out PIP for ADHD …there are genuine claims but… they said there are a 1000 new people per day now claiming PIP…so those on the make are going to spoil or for genuine a claims but something is very wrong 😦with the benefits system.

The numbers we are spending on benefits are incredible …let’s see what they slash but cuts are coming under Labour as it’s got out of hand.

Becsuse it's not the diagnosis it's how it impacts the person, both ADHD and Autism are msssivecl spectrums something you clearly don't understand
My autistic teenager gets HRC and HRM under severe mental impairment, rules he's 14 nonverbal, very limited understanding of the world around him, zero danger awareness etcetera etc
I can't see this changing when he transfers to PIp as he need ,s1:1 supervising at all times.

The amount of people who stand in the playground at my children’s school bragging about the money they get for their children having mild behavioural problems is sickening.
My daughter is 7 and has ulcerative colitis and liver disease and all her appointments are London based (I live in Kent), and have had to go bank staff at work due to the amount of time she has off school and we got refused. I also know of 3 people on PIP who completely play the system and actually brag to others saying how easy it is etc. They should all be anonymously followed and watched day to day- that’d cut a lot out.

1)Where did say “everyone”?

2. I said that I agree with support, I don’t agree with not means tested PIP which can be used for anything without any conditions (meaning it won’t be spent on actual support to cope)

You know that not everyone with ADHD is exactly like you right?

But it is fraudulent to exaggerate symptoms or entirely lie about them and the figure for fraudulent claims is so low that DWP records it a ‘nil’

In the context of ADHD it may or may not be 'wrong' to use PIP for living expenses. Looking more widely, you can't say that. PIP exists to cover the extra costs of being disabled, and many disabled people do have higher living expenses because of their disability. They may have higher heating costs, transport costs, even food costs. PIP is not intended just for treatment and therapy. The ignorance on this thread is chilling.

You stated earlier in the thread that you don't regard adhd as a disability at all. That would appear to apply to "everyone", no?

I don't necessarily disagree that PIP may not be the optimal way of supporting people with disabilities, but I'm interested to know what you would implement instead and how you would deliver that support. You seemed to be suggesting that the NHS should do it, but the waiting lists in my area are insane enough already so not totally sure how that would work.

So what needs to be done is to improve access to therapy and coaching rather than awarding PIP to people with ADHD.

there is no requirement that PIP is spent on therapy and no checks (and it won’t actually really cover the private therapy cost) so it is useless to award PIP in the hopes it will be effective use of funds for support/coaching in this case.

Meaning PIP bill should be indeed cut so that NHS provided mental health access should be financed better instead. Rather than giving PIP to support private mental health providers

And why do you think PIP should only cover therapy? What about additional transport costs as a result of not being allowed to drive? Or having to replace clothes more regularly because your child has ruined them/lost them for the millionth time due to sensory seeking behaviours/ proprioception issues etc etc? What about covering the cost of having to take time off work for additional medical appointments? The list goes on

Agreed. It isn't always as straightforward as living costs vs disability costs. They are often one and the same.

Tbh, I don't claim any disability benefits because I don't need them, but my adhd definitely costs me a lot of extra money in all sorts of different ways!

Have you applied for DLA for your daughter?
If not why?

Just apply for your daughter and don't listen to playground nonsense concentrate on her health and any entitlement she has.

this thread is about ADHD and PIP. It’s even named as such. If you see the huge increase of PIP in the last years is related to increase in mental health diagnoses and ADHD in particular

The number of working-age individuals receiving health-related benefits increased from 3.2 million in 2019 to 4.2 million in 2023, representing 10.2% of the working-age population. Specifically, the share of new PIP claimants citing mental and behavioral disorders, including ADHD, rose from 32% before the pandemic to 41% in recent data.

My ADHD also cost me lots of money in many different ways. I don’t expect the government to cover that though.

But many of those people will have other disabilities too. And lots of those with MH disorders will be linked to the current climate and NHS waiting lists. Lots of disabilities are now untreated for years, some illnesses become terminal due to waiting lists. This effects a person's mental health.

PIP isn’t specifically for therapy / coaching. It’s for extra living expenses. This could be therapy / coaching, or it could be a multitude of other things.

Good for you ,not everyone with adhd is exactly like you though.

Yes thanks for restating what I already said and what I pointed out as a problem in connection with AHDH specifically (which is the subject of this thread)

I think this is the crux of the issue.

1. this impact on mental health isn’t going to suddenly manifest itself in new ADHD diagnosis

2. waiting lists need to be cut and extra mental health provided through NHS which is EXACTLY WHY money are needed and the PIP system is not sustainable as it is. Especially in relation to such diagnosis as ADHD

But the post you shared doesn't state that all of those people have ADHD. It states they have mental and behavioral disorders, including ADHD. 1% may have ADHD, not everyone in that bracket does.

Unfortunately, the professionals needed to clear waiting lists don’t grow on trees…….

I'm sorry but you seem very blinkered.
You seem to think that just becsuse you have ADHD and manage fine everyone should
You can't seem to grasp thst other people will be a lot more impacted than you.

im not the OP

the stats I shared are:
10% of working population now receives PIP
41% of new claimants now cite mental and behavioural disorders

and higher for young people who receive DLA or PIP depending on age

I know you're not the OP. I am stating that the stats do not claim that 41% have ADHD. A large majority may have depression and for many of them it may be linked to other disabilities or illnesses that they have.