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Incident at school

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Namechangeagain225 · 13/03/2025 23:01

I am in need of some advise please as I am really upset and am not sure what i should do. My dd is in y2 and they've sat her next to a child who has special needs. I do not know the full extent of his needs, but I know he has a lot of health issues. He is behind in work apparently, he used to always be sat at the table where children needed more help with learning. Since the last term they stopped grouping children according to how well they perform. They've mixed all the children. I found out from a mum that this boy has dropped his trousers and showed his bits to to my daughter. When I queried this from my daughter she seemed to have been traumatised by this, she started crying and almost shivering , thinking she had done something wrong because she saw his bits. She then told me that he was facing her and he dropped his trousers and was looking down. Both my dd and the dd of this mum who told me about this said the teacher witnessed what happened. The teacher just told him to put his trousers back up. I wasn't informed of this by the teacher , and my dd didn't tell me either, until I asked her tonight. During the parent consultation which took place before half term , I had already asked for my dd to be moved as there was an incident where this boy hurt my dd by grabbing something off her, and it caused a deep cut on her finger. When we returned from half term break , they still hadn't moved my dd or him. For context, my dd doesn't have any siblings so hasn't seen boy bits before. I am really annoyed with the school that they are not taking this as seriously as they probably should be. What should I do? Speak to the headteacher? Email the headteacher? Also, this child disrupts my dds learning. He is constatly copying from her and my dd ends up having to teach him. I feel like the class teacher finds it convenient to keep her sat next to him ,so she can do part of the TAs job. I am really annoyed by this all. I dont want children flashing at my dd. What would you do?

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WearyAuldWumman · 14/03/2025 16:13

Soontobe60 · 14/03/2025 16:05

If having additional needs is irrelevant with regards to unacceptable behaviour, does that mean the 11 year old with ADHD and Tourette’s who calls me a cunt and tells me to fuck off if I ask him to finish his Maths should be excluded?

Our Educational Psychologist advised us that when swearing is in context, even if the pupil suffers from Tourette's, it's deliberate and should not be ignored.

Having said that, children in my area are not excluded for "merely"swearing at a a teacher whether they have Tourette's or not. To paraphrase Educating Rita, you'd need to bugger the bursar to be excluded these days.

applebee33 · 14/03/2025 16:16

Your dd shouldn’t have to sit beside someone who makes her feel uncomfortable special needs or not. I had this with my child, they were sat beside a SN child who was so disruptive, attacking other kids and tormenting my child. The school tried to make me feel bad because he had additional needs. I told them I couldn’t give a fiddlers what that child needs, I care about what MY child needs , which is a safe space to learn. This winds me up, I’d definitely insist on her being moved. Teachers palming SN kids off onto other students is not right

NiftyKoala · 14/03/2025 16:44

Soontobe60 · 14/03/2025 16:05

If having additional needs is irrelevant with regards to unacceptable behaviour, does that mean the 11 year old with ADHD and Tourette’s who calls me a cunt and tells me to fuck off if I ask him to finish his Maths should be excluded?

Honestly yes. That will help the students who should not be subjected to be called a c and help him get the services he needs. SN is a hard road for parents and children and to many times there is an attitude of well they have SN so they must put up with it. It's a terrible disservice to those of us with SN and children with SN.

Teateaandmoretea · 14/03/2025 16:59

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 07:56

“retired school middle manager”.

They're either lying or don’t know anything about age appropriate development.

Whatever. It doesn’t change that safeguarding is extremely important and failures lead to inadequate OFSTED.

Doingmybestbut · 14/03/2025 17:19

I would make a safeguarding complaint to the headteacher and escalate if necessary. I say this because I think the teacher had a chance to deal with it and has not so trust has already been broken in this case.

WearyAuldWumman · 14/03/2025 17:44

So far as child development is concerned, by the time s/he's in Y2, a child should have an awareness of appropriate behaviour and that needs to be modelled at all times.

If a child has a developmental delay, then appropriate behaviour needs to be reinforced even more.

Some years back a looked after child who had been bounced from one setting to another came to our school. Not only had he had a rough childhood (understatement) but he was on the spectrum.

Our pastoral team realised that there was a problem. The one person who'd protected him before he was removed from the family home was an older sister. The boy - understandably - kept gravitating towards older girls and looking for cuddles.

This behaviour had been seen as "cute" in a former setting - and no one had attempted to stop it. The concern was that he was reaching an age where he was going to get himself into trouble by going up to strangers. Our older girls had been reinforcing the unwanted behaviour by gladly giving him cuddles.

His pastoral link spoke about the matter to his foster parents and it was agreed that she could speak to the girls who had been reinforcing the unwanted behaviour. As diplomatically as possible, she asked the girls not to cuddle the boy no matter how lovely and cute he was.

The boy did very well, eventually becoming a pupil leader. The last I heard he was at college. The one really happy element of the story is that the foster parents managed to contact the elder sister through social work and the two siblings are now in regular contact with one another.

slummymummy24 · 14/03/2025 18:23

Have you managed to speak to the teacher today?
I really don't understand why your child has been off school since half term either. What was the reasoning for this?
It would really help to get all the info in order to give you advice

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 18:34

Soontobe60 · 14/03/2025 16:05

If having additional needs is irrelevant with regards to unacceptable behaviour, does that mean the 11 year old with ADHD and Tourette’s who calls me a cunt and tells me to fuck off if I ask him to finish his Maths should be excluded?

Is that typical age appropriate behaviour?

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 18:35

NiftyKoala · 14/03/2025 16:44

Honestly yes. That will help the students who should not be subjected to be called a c and help him get the services he needs. SN is a hard road for parents and children and to many times there is an attitude of well they have SN so they must put up with it. It's a terrible disservice to those of us with SN and children with SN.

Is there a reason why you’re leaving out the E?

NiftyKoala · 14/03/2025 18:44

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 18:35

Is there a reason why you’re leaving out the E?

I ront understand what e?

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 18:45

NiftyKoala · 14/03/2025 18:44

I ront understand what e?

It’s special educational needs. Not special needs. Special needs is not an ok way to describe someone at all.

NiftyKoala · 14/03/2025 18:56

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 18:45

It’s special educational needs. Not special needs. Special needs is not an ok way to describe someone at all.

To you. I myself have sn so does my child. Each person has every right to refer to it as they feel comfortable. Have a lovely day.

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 19:16

Wackadaywideawake · 14/03/2025 10:54

Telling someone to “do their research” is never a good opener.

There is normal sexual behaviour at this age, and there is sexual behaviour that would raise a red flag. As someone who has clearly “done their research” I am sure you also know this.

I’m sure you’re also aware that as neither you or I were present, or know either child involved, so we actually know sweet FA. I was merely raising the fact - perhaps clumsily - that it is the child’s behaviour that needs exploring, not simply moving the OPs daughter elsewhere. There may be a problem, there may not.

But yes. My immediate reaction, like the OP’s, would be immediate concern for my daughter and the other children present, including the boy in question, until I feel satisfied otherwise.

I say this as a well-rounded adult who definitely flashed her bits when she was five!

I disagree.

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 19:17

NiftyKoala · 14/03/2025 18:56

To you. I myself have sn so does my child. Each person has every right to refer to it as they feel comfortable. Have a lovely day.

I would be very careful about telling other people they’re special needs because it’s generally accepted as a slur.

Namechangeagain225 · 14/03/2025 19:37

Soontobe60 · 14/03/2025 16:11

It’s 3rd hand in that you had no idea about this until a patent phoned you 3 weeks after the alleged incident to tell you about it. The parent wasn’t in the classroom so could only have the info from someone else.
Also, your DD was so traumatised by seeing a 6 yr old boys penis that you had no idea anything had happened until the other parent phoned you?
BTW, when I did PE in y2 once, a couple of children took their pants off and their underwear came down with them. It was an accident, no one flashed at anyone else and we all managed to survive.

Yes, people can withdraw if traumatised. Its nothin new. Even though I found out about the incident through a parent, it has now been confirmed by my dd, so is not a third hand account. Like I said, this had nothing to do with pe. They don't change for pe in school. They go in wearing their pe kits

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Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 19:39

Namechangeagain225 · 14/03/2025 19:37

Yes, people can withdraw if traumatised. Its nothin new. Even though I found out about the incident through a parent, it has now been confirmed by my dd, so is not a third hand account. Like I said, this had nothing to do with pe. They don't change for pe in school. They go in wearing their pe kits

Traumatised is ridiculous.

NiftyKoala · 14/03/2025 19:41

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 19:17

I would be very careful about telling other people they’re special needs because it’s generally accepted as a slur.

I am not changing the way I speak. I definitely did not say a slur and again have a lovely day.

Namechangeagain225 · 14/03/2025 19:46

Jellycatspyjamas · 14/03/2025 12:28

Yes, it's true we don't talk about willies in our house, there's no need to. It's not a taboo word, it's just not a topic that I've needed to discuss. You also got to tread carefully, not all cultures talk about certain body parts openly.

Theres no need to talk about penises openly if you as a family choose not to, different cultures and different families have varying levels of comfort and openness about bodies and biology. Your daughter does, however, need to have the language to explain things that worry or upset her, and the skills to talk to a trusted adult and ask for help.

That’s not about different cultures or victim blaming, it’s about her knowing she has a right to be safe and being able to seek help and support. If the other parent hadn’t told you, you would be none the wiser and your daughter would still be carrying her feelings about it. You’d also be talking to the school about your daughters needs without having the full picture.

I’m surprised that this incident happened before half term, your daughter has been off school since and no one at the school has made a link and contacted you about it even to check on her welfare.

Have you decided on a course of action?

The school knows why my child was off school and that it had nothing to do with the incident. I dont want to go into specifics as it may be outing. I doubt very much the reason my dd didn't tell me initially was because she couldn't name the body part the boy flashed at her. I am pretty sure they have been taught the names of body parts in school. I didn't withdraw her from that lesson. It's just not something I thought I should do revision on.

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Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 19:53

NiftyKoala · 14/03/2025 19:41

I am not changing the way I speak. I definitely did not say a slur and again have a lovely day.

You did.

NiftyKoala · 14/03/2025 19:56

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 19:53

You did.

For the last time have a lovely day . I will not respond again no matter how many more times you qoute me.

pambeesleyhalpert · 14/03/2025 19:59

Namechangeagain225 · 13/03/2025 23:49

@1SillySossij also, if he hurts my daughter, then yes I do get to dictate who she doesnt sit next to ,if the teachers can't make sure it doesn't happen again

Completely agree!!

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 20:02

NiftyKoala · 14/03/2025 19:56

For the last time have a lovely day . I will not respond again no matter how many more times you qoute me.

I didn’t ask you to reply to me.

Namechangeagain225 · 14/03/2025 20:07

Ritzybitzy · 14/03/2025 19:39

Traumatised is ridiculous.

Okay..you'd know

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Namechangeagain225 · 14/03/2025 20:18

Jellycatspyjamas · 14/03/2025 08:17

However the girl was exposed to a sexual act and has clearly been distressed by that.

She’s been exposed to a 6 year old penis, unless there’s something I’m missing there was no sexual act, just a boy stripping off where he shouldn’t. We’ve really lost sight of normal development in children and behaviours they need to be taught out of.

Oh yes, of course, we send our children to school to see other children's private parts. Actually , with minimising like this, there'll be a lot more of this. Mums telling their boys that it's normal to drop their trousers in front of girls.

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Jellycatspyjamas · 14/03/2025 20:22

Seeing another child’s penis doesn’t in and of itself constitute a sexual act. No one has said it’s ok that it happened they’re saying youre ascribing a sexual motive to a 6 year old child when developmentally they don’t have that capacity. There’s a big gap between minimising and demonising, I’m suggesting you find the middle ground.