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Kyle Clifford - does it make you think the death penalty in some cases might be right?

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mids2019 · 07/03/2025 05:25

Read about Kyle Clifford's crimes and although for most of my life objected to the death penalty actually found it difficult to find reasons in this case not to have it. I really just couldn't think of justification for keeping the guy alive as there. Is no hope of redemption, reformation or education leading to a man being able to renenter scoiety. We would be in a position of keeping someone alive for pets face it the ideological reasons we don't believe it is rig h for the state to forcibly take a life.

Maybe my mind might change but reading about that blokes crimes I think sometimes you do forfeit the right to life.

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Chocolatefreak · 07/03/2025 05:34

No. I never think there's justifiable use of the death penalty. So many cases where they've been wrong. The UK and US prison system is completely fucked. People need to be rehabilitated much more - and in cases like Kyle Clifford locked up for life.

Saying we need the death penalty sounds like Trump.

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mids2019 · 07/03/2025 05:49

I take your point but the guy tried to kill himself anyway.

Can you in this case give a reason the guy should be given a chance of rehabilitation and why?

As I said I do have real reservations about the death penalty but sometimes it is hard not to justify (and maybe that is just emotion).

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Iamallowedtodisagreewithyou · 07/03/2025 05:50

I don't think it should be mandatory no but I do think anyone sentenced to a life sentence should be able to have euthanasia IF THEY WISH, as an alternative. I'd be happy with that

Blackcordoroys · 07/03/2025 05:54

Yes I do and I feel the same about Axel Rudakabana. Absolutely no doubt they did it, and they’ll never be let out. 60 or 70 years in prison with no hope for them, costing us millions. It seems mad.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 07/03/2025 05:55

I do not think the death penalty is right, but nor do I think that prison should be as easy as it is.

Leisure time should be an absolute bare minimum and only given when earned. I also think that prisons should be more self sufficient, and prisoners work the land to provide food, learn joining etc. to build prison furniture. Or provide resources at lower costs to local areas.

Those who prove to be trustworthy can raise to roles where they are trusted with tools to do certain tasks. Those who step out of line, work with their hands. Prisoners wouldn’t get a wage, as their work would be paying for their keep, rehabilitation, and costs associated with their trial, probation hearings etc.

Basically, other than building security and staffing, the prisoners should be doing the grafting and funding, and if they don’t knuckle down and graft they don’t get.

Entitled grandiosity needs something to put it into perspective. The above might just do that.

BusterGonad · 07/03/2025 05:58

I do think in certain circumstances the death penalty is needed. Peadaphiles especially, and men like Kyle Clifford, his brother is also in prison for murder. His parents must be proud.

Simonjt · 07/03/2025 06:02

No, I don’t agree with the death penalty for any reason.

HelmholtzWatson · 07/03/2025 06:03

Err, no. It's illiberal.

As for "Peadaphiles", why them and not child murderers and other forms of child abuse?

fatphalange · 07/03/2025 06:07

No. But I do think prison time should be more punitive.

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 07/03/2025 06:08

Here we go again...

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 07/03/2025 06:10

BusterGonad · 07/03/2025 05:58

I do think in certain circumstances the death penalty is needed. Peadaphiles especially, and men like Kyle Clifford, his brother is also in prison for murder. His parents must be proud.

Paedophile

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mids2019 · 07/03/2025 06:13

Looking at prison as punitive for those who have no chance of release would surely be viewed as long term psychological torture and is that any way more liberal than the death penalty (under certain circumstances?).

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Weepixie · 07/03/2025 06:14

No. Not under any circumstance. One wrong conviction and an innocent person executed is one too many. There are also the families of the condemned to be considered. No one should wake up to the day your child/family member is going to be killed.

Onelifeonly · 07/03/2025 06:15

No I don't agree with having the death penalty, though in the case of Alex Rudakabana the thought did cross my mind.

Ohshutupdavidyoutwat · 07/03/2025 06:16

No. He is now disabled from the waist down and will spend the rest of his life in prison, he is young so it will be many years of suffering. Death is too quick.

AprilF00L · 07/03/2025 06:16

I think they should be kept alive and live an utterly miserable life in prison for as long as possible. Death would be an escape for them.

Ohshutupdavidyoutwat · 07/03/2025 06:17

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 07/03/2025 06:10

Paedophile

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SulkySeagull · 07/03/2025 06:17

I’m sure people’s views would change if it were their family who had been wiped out, or their child molested. Surely you’d want to murder them with your own bare hands, why not let the state do it?

Recently I read a story about a man who was executed because he kidnapped and raped a woman then tied her to a tree and murdered her. He had just got out of prison after a separate murder sentence. Why should he have lived? He was a danger to society and evil.

BlondiePortz · 07/03/2025 06:18

Iamallowedtodisagreewithyou · 07/03/2025 05:50

I don't think it should be mandatory no but I do think anyone sentenced to a life sentence should be able to have euthanasia IF THEY WISH, as an alternative. I'd be happy with that

So they get a choice to die or not but have some of them given their victims that choice?

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 07/03/2025 06:19

Ohshutupdavidyoutwat · 07/03/2025 06:17

Feel better now?

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Yup, thank you for asking

echt · 07/03/2025 06:20

I’m sure people’s views would change if it were their family who had been wiped out, or their child molested

The logic of your, ahem, argument would mean that should a member of your family turn out to be a murderer or child molester, you would change your mind regarding the appropriate punishment.

Luddite26 · 07/03/2025 06:23

RogersOrganismicProcess · 07/03/2025 05:55

I do not think the death penalty is right, but nor do I think that prison should be as easy as it is.

Leisure time should be an absolute bare minimum and only given when earned. I also think that prisons should be more self sufficient, and prisoners work the land to provide food, learn joining etc. to build prison furniture. Or provide resources at lower costs to local areas.

Those who prove to be trustworthy can raise to roles where they are trusted with tools to do certain tasks. Those who step out of line, work with their hands. Prisoners wouldn’t get a wage, as their work would be paying for their keep, rehabilitation, and costs associated with their trial, probation hearings etc.

Basically, other than building security and staffing, the prisoners should be doing the grafting and funding, and if they don’t knuckle down and graft they don’t get.

Entitled grandiosity needs something to put it into perspective. The above might just do that.

That's a good idea give a whole set of murderous violent thugs tools. No need for the death penalty they can do each other in.

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avocadotofu · 07/03/2025 06:25

No I am absolutely against the death penalty.

echt · 07/03/2025 06:26

as there. Is no hope of redemption, reformation or education leading to a man being able to renenter scoiety

And how do you know this @mids2019

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