Kyle Clifford - does it make you think the death penalty in some cases might be right?

[mids2019]

Read about Kyle Clifford's crimes and although for most of my life objected to the death penalty actually found it difficult to find reasons in this case not to have it. I really just couldn't think of justification for keeping the guy alive as there. Is no hope of redemption, reformation or education leading to a man being able to renenter scoiety. We would be in a position of keeping someone alive for pets face it the ideological reasons we don't believe it is rig h for the state to forcibly take a life.

Maybe my mind might change but reading about that blokes crimes I think sometimes you do forfeit the right to life.

We think we are superior to animals obviously...
My relative rescued a dog once. It had bitten a child, didn't even kill the child, it was going to be put down, they rescued it.
How disgusting... It was the kids fault too.

Yet man can do what he wants, murder, rape, maim, and still lives.

We are not superior, but we think we are.

Anyone who commits a crime leaves themselves open to being attacked inside.
They shouldn't receive compo.

It's your own fault your in there..

That's all well and good apart from the people who are in there who didn't commit any crimes. Nobody likes a baby killer so Sally Clarke and Angela Cannings could well have received a beating or two. Both were entirely innocent and convicted on flawed evidence.

And Stefan Kiszko was regularly attacked inside after being jailed for killing a child. He was later fully proved to be a totally innocent man.

Saying "oops sorry about that" after the event and once they'd had their innocence proven wouldn't be a lot of good to them I'd of thought.

They know that but they deserve protection, some of the assaults in prison are unbelievably violent. No matter how low people fall they will always find someone lower whom they can persecute, makes them feel better I suppose.

The prison officers are supposed to protect vulnerable inmates regardless of what crime they have committed.

I can understand why people might turn a blind eye to violence though. Unfortunately I can’t muster up the slightest bit of sympathy for the likes of Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Huntley or Sara Sharif’s ‘father’.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat Whilst I do not stand in agreement of those people being attacked, I equally do not overflow with sympathy for them.

I understand how you feel, PinkSparkly, but prisoner-on-prisoner violence is either tolerated or it's not. There many who are attacked in prison who have not committed such heinous crimes, that's the point. If their rights are not all protected in the same way there could be a free for all and that makes life far more difficult for the prison officers.

Those who have committed violent crimes are put in a different category wing with specially trained officers which theoretically should help but doesn't always.

Exactly who cares about the freaks.
Sympathy is with the deceased and their families/friends.

Stefan Kiszko was punched multiple times and needed 17 stitches for a head wound after being repeatedly attacked by other inmates, appalled that he had murdered an eight year old child.

No doubt had MN been around then people would have been cheering then on and hoping they'd "finish the job next time".

Thing is, who is more likely to apply for execution?
An hardened, calculated, remorseless criminal?
Or somebody who did not entirely or fully commit what they are jailed for?
Or somebody who suffers from mental problems?

We are in the end fortunate that our laws are, by and large, inspired by greater thinkers than the average person. It keeps us from acting in that liberating "let's be animals too!" feeling which we crave.
But then, to the average person there is no greater thinker than the average person, as populist politicians know well and cleverly leverage for power.