Kyle Clifford - does it make you think the death penalty in some cases might be right?

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Read about Kyle Clifford's crimes and although for most of my life objected to the death penalty actually found it difficult to find reasons in this case not to have it. I really just couldn't think of justification for keeping the guy alive as there. Is no hope of redemption, reformation or education leading to a man being able to renenter scoiety. We would be in a position of keeping someone alive for pets face it the ideological reasons we don't believe it is rig h for the state to forcibly take a life.

Maybe my mind might change but reading about that blokes crimes I think sometimes you do forfeit the right to life.

State sanctioned killing doesn't make countries safer. The US have the death penalty and harsher sentencing, with prisons with no rehabilitation focus, their recidivism rates are double ours.
Also people saying prison is easy haven't been in them. The conditions in lots especially the state owned estates are grim, huge issues with disrepair, rats, some are so understaffed prisoners have been on 23 hour a day bang up for years and have a shower a couple of times a week, in facilities I wouldn't wash my cat in. Don't believe everything you see in the press. I've seen it with my eyes in a professional capacity.

Wasn't Axel R very unwell at the time?

No. I think that’s the easy way out. I think a lifetime spent in maximum security solitary confinement with the most basic food and water to aid survival, with a stone slab as a bed. A long, slow, and bleak life, entirely focused on reflecting on his actions.
There’s no rehabilitation for some people.

We would be in a position of keeping someone alive for pets face it the ideological reasons we don't believe it is rig h for the state to forcibly take a life.

That's a pretty big reason.

So you think killing people is wrong and therefore the only acceptable punishment is to kill someone? But that’s not wrong?
Makes no sense.
Also criminals are put in prison to remove their freedom, that is the punishment, not to make their daily lives unbearable with inhumane conditions, they're more likely to riot or fight. Prison officers need calm prisoners.
Imo the US penal system is based on revenge, it should be based on justice.

The death sentance is wrong because it punishes families rather than just individuals. It also requires prison officers to be complicit in murder. Prison officers are difficult to recruit and retain. It's a horrible job in many ways. The more difficult, and punitive we make prison, the harder and more dangerous life becomes for prison officers.

Let him keep trying. Why should he be given the easy way out.

No. I think he should live with what he’s done every single day. Death is too easy.

No, I think death is an easy way out. I'm glad this evil man didn't succeed in killing himself. It's best that criminals are kept alive to face the consequences of their own actions. I actually don't think life as an alternative to the death penalty is a cop-out. This man will have years of uncomfortable solitude, hopefully, to face what he has done.

In Kyle Clifford's case, his punishment has been heightened by his own actions which have left him paralysed so that will be an additional punishment for prison.

I just feel so so sad for the Hunt family. Such a beautiful, gentle, loving family and it was just their misfortune that they crossed paths with what can only be described as evil in human form.

Yep . They are so many cases that warrant the death penalty ,

There’s so many miscarriages of justice that it’s not worth it for one. More to the point I think a lifetime in prison is a miserable bloody life and a better punishment.

I want these evil people locked up forever. And I want prison to be grim. But no, I do not believe in the death penalty. You can’t match evil with evil.

Fuck me I didn't know his brother was in prison for murder too.

How NOT to parent eh?

Yes. Basically a final kindness to them, and a chance to save the taxpayer millions of pounds.

I agree.

In cases like this where they is zero doubt that this man committed this crime, the death penalty should be in force because having it as a deterrent might save the lives of future victims like these three women who, after all, have been tortured and then murdered simply...simply because this wankstain was angry at being dumped.

By having no 'ultimate deterrent', in the future, crimes will be committed when they may not have been and those victims/people are more important to me at least, than the lives of lowlifes like this man.

To me, it is this simple. This man is totally dispensable in a right thinking society and would save the country hundreds of thousands of pounds keeping him warm, fed and occupied.

I think actually living with what he has done is harder in some ways. Very long sentence and hope he has an uncomfortable time as possible in prison.

Yes because they are the warped and sorry excuses for humans- not us.

This. Why do so many people think prison is easy?

Your freedom has been taken anyway - you’ll never go to a beach, or a pub, or a birthday party, or Sainsbury’s or any other hundreds of things we take for granted. You have no autonomy over your life, you’ll spend it in the same routine in similar places with very little variation for the rest of your life. Decades. It’s definitely punishment and rightly so.

No

From my individual morality, yes, some criminals probably should die. But does that mean I think it's okay for the state to kill its citizens? Absolutely not, whatever they've done.

Agree with this- there IS a place for the death penalty and in some cases it really would be better to rid the universe of such scum. The cost to society of keeping these sort of monsters on a metaphorical naughty step for the rest of their lives is utterly pointless.

No I do not think we should have the death penalty, prison isn’t easy as some seem to think and KC will, rightly so, live a miserable existence and should never be free again

I do understand that families of victims may feel differently but the law isn’t and shouldn’t be based on emotion

No, but I wouldn’t allow him to have a comfortable life in prison. He shouldn’t be allowed to socialise, for example. And he shouldn’t think he’s getting out, ever.

No, never. I DO think our justice system is totally confused on if it wants to punish or rehabilitate. For some people I truly believe full genuine life imprisonment is the only option. But for many others a few years in prison is just enough to totally fuck their chances of living a normal life and re integrating with society, therefor making re offending much more likely, but not enough to actually protect the public. For non violent crimes expecially I personally think we should be making far greater use of tags and curfews, it would be possible to greatly restrict someone's freedom and enjoyment if life yet keeping them housed and able to go to work, which has to be so much more cost effective.

SickInBedOnTwoChairs - there is no such thing as the ultimate deterrent. Punishment does not act as a deterrent for those who will break the rules anyway.