Kyle Clifford - does it make you think the death penalty in some cases might be right?

[mids2019]

Read about Kyle Clifford's crimes and although for most of my life objected to the death penalty actually found it difficult to find reasons in this case not to have it. I really just couldn't think of justification for keeping the guy alive as there. Is no hope of redemption, reformation or education leading to a man being able to renenter scoiety. We would be in a position of keeping someone alive for pets face it the ideological reasons we don't believe it is rig h for the state to forcibly take a life.

Maybe my mind might change but reading about that blokes crimes I think sometimes you do forfeit the right to life.

Im not a fan of the death penalty. Interestingly in the U.S. due to the legal processes involved it costs more to kill someone’s than keep them alive in prison for the rest of their natural life. Life expectancy in prison is much shorter than average tbf even excluding those killed by the state.

A bit like a Pp I do think euthanasia or assisted suicide could be an option. If someone doesn’t want to be alive in those circumstances let them choose.

No way. It’s a worse punishment to spend the rest of their life in prison. Death is an easy way out

Didn’t know this was widely known. I think he’s suffering but the cost to the NHS must be massive and I feel very sorry for those looking after him, knowing what he did.

Given the extreme nature of his crimes, I’d be inclined to agree with the death penalty. What he did was very carefully planned and executed.

They don't have an uncomfortable time in prison though. The brother of this man is in jail for murder. This crim has seen up close, his brothers life and has still tortured and killed three women. Jail is not a deterrent and besides, he doesn't care. If he did, he would not have given a 'no comment' interview with the police.

Looking at it as punitive for people who do chance of release is part of the reason prisons are over full and we are having to let people out.

We’ve spent ages cracking down and making it harder for political reasons to appeal to sections of voters that think that’s necessary and all it does is seem to increase reoffending rates. And it isn’t like freedom being removed isn’t a huge punishment. Remember how we’re all still banging on about lockdown and it’s affects on mental health 5 years later when arguable we had a lot more freedom than prisoners get.

They do, as they are often reguarly attacked by other prisoners. He is also disabled and tried to take his own life. In any event, it's only the most appalling countries we do not want to emulate like the US and Saudi Arabia who have the death penalty.

The death penalty is not a deterrent.

The death penalty isn’t a deterrent though, murder rates are higher in the States that have the death penalty and its costs much more to put someone to death than imprison them for life.

It costs more to keep them on death row. It doesn't cost more to kill them.

This is because in the US they are not dispatched forthwith but are kept on DW for years, decades sometimes and the extra cost is due to the additional security needed.

If they were euthanased promptly, the cost is very low.

They’re kept on death row to allow the legal process to take due course, there would need to be a very robust appeals process for people facing death which is costly.

I have swayed between agreeing and disagreeing with the death penalty for years.
Sometimes when I hear cases like the Rudakubana one, where there is zero doubt that they have committed the offence, it is such a horrendous crime and the offender shows no remorse at all, I find myself swaying towards thinking that they don't deserve any form of life when they've so violently destroyed their victims and families lives.
Ian Brady is a good example. Even though he was imprisoned for life, he still took pleasure tormenting the family of the little boy who was never found, giving them false hope he knew where the body was until the poor mother died.
However the other part of me says in reality, an eye for an eye society is not one I would like to live in and I'm not sure death penalties bring much more peace to the families of victims.

Considering the U.K. is pushing through assisted suicide with very little oversight or protections for vulnerable people (in fact the committee keeps voting them down) it would illiberal not to bring back the death penalty. We can’t actually argue for more protections for convicted criminals than for ill people, can we?

Save the NHS push the weakest to state suggested and sanctioned suicide. Save our prison system, death penalty for all convicted of terrorism charges, murder, or sexual crimes. Hey, let anyone facing a long prison sentence apply for state assisted suicide. Maybe it can be part of the sentencing, you can a whole life sentence or die by state assisted suicide.

There is always an upsurge in support for the death penalty after the reporting of a heinous crime where people feel a particular empathy for the victims. It's an emotional not a rational reaction. Practically, who are 'men like KC?' What criteria places a person in the deserves to die category? Because pretty much any you will list will involve a valuing of some lives over others which doesn't sit right with me. So, we either have 'a life for a life' approach applied consistently, which would be prohibitively expensive even if the ethics aligned with your own, or we don't.

No, he should spend the rest of his life in long drawn out utter misery. Bastard.

Yes I think we should have it but only for crimes where there is 100% solid evidence that the crime was committed. Cases like Lucy Letby’s where there is flaws, it would be to risky to consider the death penalty.

He is pure evil.

He tried to kill himself - suggesting he would rather be dead than facing a lifetime in prison.

Why give him what he wants? The women he murdered didn't get a choice, the family that was left behind didn't get a choice.

He should be locked up in a cell and forced to think about what he did every day.

No job, no rehabilitation, no visits (he used to visit his brother in jail, who is also a murderer, which I find insane. Why should he be able to see his family when he robbed an innocent mother of seeing her son again), nothing. Just him and 4 walls.

Not solitary.

Solitary is safe, look up what happened to Richard Huckle.

Ian Huntley has been attacked at least twice.

I don't lose sleep over either.

@mids2019 He tried to kill himself, that was what he wanted. If you enforce the death penalty on this scum then you are giving him exactly what he wants. Carol, Hannah and Louise didn't get what they wanted (to stay alive) so why should he.

This.

Another vote for absolutely not, never.

@TheBlueUser Sorry, I posted before I saw yours. I echo everything you say.

This! Can’t see how anyone could argue with this. People like him should be given the choice - life in prison or death sentence

@RosaBaby2

why?

I think we need to come to a deal with Saudi with folks like this. We transfer ownership to them and they do as they will. Sure we can find some deal.

Totally disagree with this. Surely this just gives them an easy out?
Some people deserve to be punished for the rest of their lives.