Anyone listened to this interesting diary of a ceo podcast, about how daycare is harming children ?

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Just wondered your thoughts, I think what she's saying is very unpopular but also very true

She’s American - working hpurs are longer, probably less financial support, less child benefits, possibly less inspections at low class childcare centres.

Erica komisar, is American but she's well informed about how this all works in other countries too

Ive always thought this and i worked in them and seen too much

will listen, I do not love him as I think he platforms some charlatans, but will keep an open mind.

What where the things that concerned you?

ADHD is not developmental!!!! It's innate. FFS

I do think it's sad as a society, babies, young children, elderly, sick or disabled are treated with less regard
It's all about the money and profits

If there’s one thing that Steven Bartlett’s podcast is known for it’s having absolute billy bullshitters as guests with opinions based on pseudoscience and conjecture. I wouldn’t trust a word that was said on there.

Bartlett is a charlatan who would sell his own granny and his guests are rage bait jockeys who have something to sell you (usually a book).

Proceed with caution.

I actually think babies and children are treated with more care than ever!
No one gave a shit about children in generations gone past, there was no care for their development, if they didn’t get sent to school no one care, for large parts of the day they were just left to get on with it, left alone in prams in the garden, left alone in playpens because women had more to attend to.

Childcare in the US is very different. You can't extrapolate from there to the UK. There are good and bad nurseries everywhere.

Anyone who says childcare causes ADHD is talking bullshit and deserves to be ignored.

She literally starts off discussing childcare at 6 weeks. Thats just not a societal problem in the UK. Nor is the extreme medicating of children which is present in the US.

Exactly, the US is dreadful for mat leave. I can't think of many people in the UK or most of Europe who would put essentially a newborn into a childcare setting.

With early childcare there is a huge difference between the US and Europe. In Europe, depending on the country our idea of early childcare is at 3 months or a year depending on the country. In the US, there is no 'mandatory' maternity leave, so if you are dependent on your low paid job that has no maternity leave, you may have to go to back to work sooner than is optimal for both mother and baby.
It is an important discussion, but the context matters. What is glossed over is that the mothers who are using in the US and in Europe what may be called early childcare (which varies on the context) are more likely to be poor. And then it difficult to say whether it is poorer kids who have poorer outcomes or early child care kids who have poorer outcomes.
But on the whole we as, people with families, or just parts of societies need to know which kids have poorer outcomes and why, so we can do something about it.
Which means we need to talk about it, and let others talk about it, even if we disagree with them.

I stopped listening to him when he pivoted away from interviewing business leaders to this kind of thing. He never challenges any claims, just nods along.

i can’t take him seriously anymore.

“How is it that we are producing such fragile youth that even the discomfort and the frustration of raising children is too much for them?” Said in a very whiney and patronising tone when discussing childcare for working or paid childcare in the home with a young baby.

This woman comes across as totally out of touch.
Using paid help in the home means raising a child is “too much” for you due to your own fragility? Not there fact that women mother so much more alone than generations before and now use paid help in place of generational family help?

Why is it the fault of the fragile youth for being narcissistic as she puts it and then not the other generations who overall help less than the did historically?

The OP clearly has an agenda that she is eager to push. Maybe she feels the need for validation of her own choices or something.

I didn't watch the whole video as it was so obviously a pile of crap. As others have said, the US model is not relevant to the UK context in any case. Regardless, anyone who suggests that adhd is caused by children attending childcare settings clearly has no idea what she is talking about.

Yep.

I know adults 40+ who have ADHD but did NOT go to nursery or even a childminder. How is that explained?

(In fact I also know children with ADHD the same.)

Yep, my mum was a SAHP and yet I somehow ended up with adhd anyway. Can I sue?

Thank you.

He's already been taken apart due to allowing health conspiracy theories.

Both of my teen children were in childcare (as were most of their friends) and they were, and are, absolutely fine. I hate this sort of thing because for lots of people childcare is absolutely necessary to being able to keep working, and normally it's women who are made to feel guilty about it.

Basically in the nurseries i was in there was always one or two workers who were naturally great with kids, and the kids flocked to these people and it was lovely to see. The rest of the staff were good enough to various degrees, but usually if they could find another job in place of actually sitting on the carpet in the book corner reading to children or being outside and playing hopscotch etc , then they were quite happy to find another job that took them away from having to interact with the kids. And that left an awful lot of forlorn looking kids just waiting for pick up time.

I was under the impression that daycare in the USA is scarily under regulated.

However, my youngest would have benefitted from not going to nursery. But I was a lone parent and not able to give up work sadly.

I haven't listened to the podcast, but read Sheila Kitzinger when mine were young and was persuaded by her view - up until the age of around 3, infants are better served by having a single carer (whether that's a childminder, parent or grandparent) and it's better to leave nursery until after 3 years old.

I agree, it isn't helpful and it doesn't reflect what I've seen playing out in reality.

My dc and her peers are all young adults now, and there really isn't any discernable difference between them in terms of which ones were in some form of childcare and which ones had SAHPs etc. Some have better mental health than others, but that certainly doesn't seem to correlate in any way with their experience of childcare in the early years.

The strength of attachment and quality of relationships between parents and children is obviously hugely influential, but it's ridiculously reductive to assume that that's all about having a SAHP/ not using paid childcare.