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Zelensky - feeling quite sad

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Bakewelltart1 · 01/03/2025 20:18

I know that there are several threads about him, but I’ve watched the interview again today.
I don’t know what’s made me feel more sad - how exhausted and disappointed he looked, the fact that English isn’t his first language and it must have been hard to speak, let alone speak whilst being verbally attacked, or the suit question.
When the war is over, I want to buy that man the best suit money can buy!
How can anyone kick someone when they are so down anyway.

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swingandtrampoline · 01/03/2025 21:13

Tucking Netanyahu in his chair, hosting a civilian like god in the Oval Office with his son wiping his bogies on the table to treating a sovereign county's leader with such despicable behaviour live on TV is absolutely disgusting. I'm not a fan of Zelensky, for his politics, for getting into bed with the wrong guys from the very start and his wife spending thousands in Cartier whilst their fellow citizens have become refugees but no one deserves to be treated with such abhorrent behaviour. Shame on them!

Ddakji · 01/03/2025 21:14

Rosesducks · 01/03/2025 21:10

Power isn’t about what’s fair it’s about who controls the narrative, and in that Oval Office showdown, both men were playing for different stakes. Zelensky walked in needing unwavering U.S. support, hoping to reaffirm his country’s moral high ground. Trump, on the other hand, wanted dominance an undisputed claim to being the man who dictates the terms of global order. And let’s be clear, Trump relishes confrontation because in his mind, power is a transaction, not a principle.

Trump didn't just dismiss Zelensky; he humiliated him. Telling him he "doesn’t have the cards" wasn’t just bravado it was a calculated move to strip Ukraine of any leverage. By treating Zelensky as a desperate supplicant rather than a wartime leader, Trump sent a clear message: Ukraine’s survival is a U.S. decision, not a Ukrainian one. And when he coldly stated Zelensky could "come back when he is ready for peace," he wasn’t just shutting the door—he was setting the terms. In one stroke, he positioned himself as the sole arbiter of Ukraine’s fate while making it clear that further support would come with strings attached.

That’s the kind of move a Machiavellian strategist can admire. It’s brutal, but effective. Trump is testing the waters for a potential second term, and he wants the world to know that American policy under him will be transactional—no blank checks, no sentimentality, only deals that serve his interests. Putin couldn't have asked for a better soundbite.

Zelensky, to his credit, stood his ground. But defiance without leverage is just performance. His presence in the Oval Office was meant to project strength, yet Trump turned it into an interrogation. The Ukrainian leader now finds himself in a precarious position: he must maintain international support while dealing with a White House that could turn against him. And make no mistake his visible exhaustion, his struggle to hold the room, all played into Trump’s hands.

Nothing weakens an ally more than making them appear desperate.
That said, Zelensky may have unintentionally played the long game. His fiery defiance has only solidified domestic support in Ukraine. The perception of being “bullied” by Trump could also rally European allies and parts of the U.S. establishment against Trump's isolationist instincts. If he leverages this moment correctly, he can turn Trump’s dismissal into a rallying cry for continued Western aid. The question is will that be enough?

From a pure power perspective, Trump walked away with the advantage. He didn’t just challenge Zelenskyy he reframed the entire U.S./Ukraine relationship.

He put Ukraine on notice: no more automatic support, no more unconditional backing. He played to his base, who see Ukraine as a money pit, and sent a subtle message to Moscow: under a Trump administration, Kyiv would have to fight much harder for American backing.

But power is a long game, and the battlefield isn’t just the Oval Office it’s public perception, global alliances, and the 2024 election. If Zelenskyy and his allies can turn Trump’s arrogance into a liability, if they can make the case that abandoning Ukraine would embolden Putin, then Trump’s cold dismissal may come back to haunt him. But make no mistake if Zelenskyy doesn’t recalibrate his approach, he risks becoming a pawn rather than a player.

In politics, weakness is never forgiven, and Trump just made sure the world saw Zelenskyy on the back foot. Whether Zelensky can turn this moment into strength that’s the real game now.

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What do you mean about potential second term? Trump can’t stand again. I thought 2 terms was the maximum a president can do.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 01/03/2025 21:15

Molly70 · 01/03/2025 20:39

I don’t think that meeting was the time and place for Zelensky to start lecturing Trump and Vance. He called Vance, JD, which was very disrespectful. Trump ribbed him about his attire when he greeted him but it was a journalist who brought it up in the meeting. Zelinsky was there to sign the mineral agreement and he should have stuck to that and discussed other concerns privately. It was Trump and Vance who were ambushed

Utter rubbish

CaptainMyCaptain · 01/03/2025 21:15

Ddakji · 01/03/2025 21:14

What do you mean about potential second term? Trump can’t stand again. I thought 2 terms was the maximum a president can do.

I think Trump has mentioned wanting to change that.

Rosesducks · 01/03/2025 21:15

Ddakji · 01/03/2025 21:14

What do you mean about potential second term? Trump can’t stand again. I thought 2 terms was the maximum a president can do.

last i heard trump was trying to use the laws to get a third

Devonshiregal · 01/03/2025 21:16

Yes as others have said, he’s not not wearing a suit because he’s Cinderella and can’t afford one. He’s not wearing a suit because he’s with his people and wants there to be no mistake that he is going to fight for his country not hide in an office somewhere. He’s a leader, not a dictator.

RetroTotty · 01/03/2025 21:18

Demos in Vermont where Vance currently is, and at SpaceX Cali, protesters waving Ukraine flags!

valder · 01/03/2025 21:18

Gosh someone said to me today, We need another Day of the Jackal, and no misses.

I was appalled at first, but many people are just so fed up and disgusted by him that they are saying things they never thought they would. However, I pointed out that if the worst happened, JD would step in straight away, and there was a silent response.

itsgettingweird · 01/03/2025 21:18

Bakewelltart1 · 01/03/2025 20:50

@Molly70 Trump and JD were ambushed? I think I missed that part.

I think we all did Wink

Gilead · 01/03/2025 21:18

@Molly70 , put the brandy down love and pop off to bed, life may seem.a little more real in the morning.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/03/2025 21:19

CloudPop · 01/03/2025 21:03

Wouldn't it be brilliant if he wore a suit to meet King Charles

It would be great if Charles wore a Ukrainian outfit. Fuck Trump.

RobertaFirmino · 01/03/2025 21:19

TimeForSomething · 01/03/2025 20:30

He should read the other thread to cheer himself up 😂

Absolutely! I would be happy to help him understand it if he's struggling with the language!

valder · 01/03/2025 21:19

RetroTotty · 01/03/2025 21:18

Demos in Vermont where Vance currently is, and at SpaceX Cali, protesters waving Ukraine flags!

Blue States? We need that sort of thing in the Red ones. Doubt it.

Livelovebehappy · 01/03/2025 21:20

Dandelion193 · 01/03/2025 21:09

Who's trying to start a war with America? 😂 Trump is being an arsehole in front of the whole world and treating other countries with contempt. Other countries will probably stop trading so readily with them etc but they're not threatening to start a war with America. Some of his ' put America first' policies will result in higher prices for normal Americans and other countries making their own retaliatory economic policies against them. Tis politics

There are many people on these threads trying to put a divide between USA/Russia and the West. That’s how wars start, by creating a them against us mentality.

FictionalCharacter · 01/03/2025 21:20

MarvellousMarch · 01/03/2025 20:33

Well he may have been ambushed but he handled himself extremely well!!
Imagine how tired and frustrated he is.
He didn't shout or loose his temper and the way he said "i know" when they said your country is in big trouble.
He also made some remarks about the suit the guy was wearing who made the comment. The guy that made the comment looked dreadful!!

Even trump said he thought zelensky looked good. Unfortunately I think they sounded and looked like gangstas, talking about suits and looking good and respect and showing thanks.
In fact isn't that the opening of the godfather, showing respect coming here aksing me for a favour?

Trump admires the mafia. His family have longstanding links with them so he has been in mafia circles since he was very young.
He uses a lot of Mob-style gestures and language: admiring violent “tough guys” like Kim Jong Un for killing opponents in horrible ways, giving opponents insulting nicknames like Sleepy Joe and Crooked Hillary. He talks a lot about needing people’s respect and loyalty. He humiliates people. He makes people praise him publicly as an act of loyalty.
Once you clock the language he uses, you can’t unsee this,

Molly70 · 01/03/2025 21:21

Gilead · 01/03/2025 21:18

@Molly70 , put the brandy down love and pop off to bed, life may seem.a little more real in the morning.

I live in the US so it is a bit early

LovelyJubly12 · 01/03/2025 21:22

FictionalCharacter · 01/03/2025 21:20

Trump admires the mafia. His family have longstanding links with them so he has been in mafia circles since he was very young.
He uses a lot of Mob-style gestures and language: admiring violent “tough guys” like Kim Jong Un for killing opponents in horrible ways, giving opponents insulting nicknames like Sleepy Joe and Crooked Hillary. He talks a lot about needing people’s respect and loyalty. He humiliates people. He makes people praise him publicly as an act of loyalty.
Once you clock the language he uses, you can’t unsee this,

How depressing. America chose a thug to lead the country.

Keepgettingolder81 · 01/03/2025 21:22

He's in the middle of holding his country together in a war that he probably won't win. I think a suit is the last thing on his mind to be honest.

He was probably the only one in that conversation with more than half a brain cell, he looked like he knew it as well

boatyardblues · 01/03/2025 21:22

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/03/2025 20:40

True. He had the Ukrainian trident on his clothes. An Armani suit would not have been the same. He looked perfectly smart.

Taking the piss out of clothes, demanding thanks, and interrupting, hectoring and repeatedly touching with no permission is what 12 yo bullies do, not statesmen.

It’s not about what you’re wearing. It’s about whether you’re any good at the job. If we’re talking about playing the hand you were dealt, I doubt Zelenskyy thought he’d be leading his country in wartime when he was elected. He’s stayed the course and worked hard to build alliances and external support for Ukraine. If the boot was on the other foot I can’t see Trump staying the course. He can’t see further than the end of his own nose and doesn’t know how to collaborate. He’s entirely driven by ego and self-interest, unfit for public office.

LovelyJubly12 · 01/03/2025 21:23

Ddakji · 01/03/2025 21:14

What do you mean about potential second term? Trump can’t stand again. I thought 2 terms was the maximum a president can do.

He literally won’t be able to stand in four years. He’s an elderly man.

Dandelion193 · 01/03/2025 21:23

Livelovebehappy · 01/03/2025 21:20

There are many people on these threads trying to put a divide between USA/Russia and the West. That’s how wars start, by creating a them against us mentality.

I don't think that's the case, people are disappointed and disgusted in trumps behaviour and he will serve natural consequences of his actions when other countries stop treating them so favourably. I've yet to see anyone say Europe should start a war with America and Russia 😂
No-one should accept such poor behaviour from another country. So far other countries seem to working out how to support Ukraine without America as they're clearly excluding themselves

TheOliveFinch · 01/03/2025 21:25

@Molly70 , nothing can justify Trump’s behaviour, take your blinkers off

GeometricGillian · 01/03/2025 21:26

LovelyJubly12 · 01/03/2025 21:23

He literally won’t be able to stand in four years. He’s an elderly man.

Many expect him to amend the constitution/push through changing the rules to allow a third term.

Flomingho · 01/03/2025 21:28

Zelensky acted with dignity and integrity Trump showed himself up what he is . All goes to show that wealth and power cannot buy morals and class

Dandelion193 · 01/03/2025 21:28

GeometricGillian · 01/03/2025 21:26

Many expect him to amend the constitution/push through changing the rules to allow a third term.

We can only hope he pops his clogs by then or the Americans wake up to the fact he's an immoral lunatic that has taken away rights from women and made decisions that'll impact negatively on their people and damaging their relationship with other countries