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Zelensky - feeling quite sad

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Bakewelltart1 · 01/03/2025 20:18

I know that there are several threads about him, but I’ve watched the interview again today.
I don’t know what’s made me feel more sad - how exhausted and disappointed he looked, the fact that English isn’t his first language and it must have been hard to speak, let alone speak whilst being verbally attacked, or the suit question.
When the war is over, I want to buy that man the best suit money can buy!
How can anyone kick someone when they are so down anyway.

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CarmelaBrunella · 01/03/2025 20:54

JoyousEagle · 01/03/2025 20:49

Churchill also didn't wear a suit to the White House during WWII. He wore an air raid suit.

I was going to say the same. His siren suit.

CarmelaBrunella · 01/03/2025 20:55

Molly70 · 01/03/2025 20:39

I don’t think that meeting was the time and place for Zelensky to start lecturing Trump and Vance. He called Vance, JD, which was very disrespectful. Trump ribbed him about his attire when he greeted him but it was a journalist who brought it up in the meeting. Zelinsky was there to sign the mineral agreement and he should have stuck to that and discussed other concerns privately. It was Trump and Vance who were ambushed

Watch it again. Seriously.

Bakewelltart1 · 01/03/2025 20:55

@Wildflowers99 I will watch that sometime. I'm so glad he's had some support. I hope they gave him a nice meal too!

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WhereAreWeNow · 01/03/2025 20:57

I feel the same OP. It was a horrible spectacle to watch. My heart breaks for the Ukrainian people.

Livelovebehappy · 01/03/2025 20:58

Patterncarmen · 01/03/2025 20:28

Well, Sir Keir just pledged £2.26 billion to Zelenskyy of support. It is a loan guaranteed by frozen Russian assets. I am grinning ear to ear. Thank you Sir Keir for doing the decent thing which Trump is incapable of. Just reported by the BBC. Let’s hope a European alliance drives back Putin and makes the USA irrelevant and Trump is held to account for the nasty piece of work he is.

We definitely don’t want to create a war with America. The West against a Russia/America alliance will only create a very likely WW3 and we will all be wiped out. Every country should be working towards peace, not forming alliances and threatening war. It’s scary how some on these threads are baying for war.

Hazel665 · 01/03/2025 21:00

I think Zelensky is an admirable man. I remember when this all started and Joe Biden offered to have him come and live in America, and Zelensky said "I don't need a ride, I need ammunition". He's done nothing but stand by his people and his country (hence the clothes) and I cannot watch the show of bullying against a man for whom English is not his first language. Disgusting.

StressedLP1 · 01/03/2025 21:00

The treatment of Zelensky by those two chimps seems to be having a bit of a Streisand effect. Europe is more united than it’s been in a long time. Bet Donald’s boss Putin hates that 😄

MarvellousMarch · 01/03/2025 21:01

I was thinking imagine if they sold that outfit with the trident, I'd buy it. I bet so many would to support Ukraine

Bakewelltart1 · 01/03/2025 21:02

@Livelovebehappy it definitely felt like it was heading towards an alliance between the USA and Russia. The victim blaming was palpable.
I don't think anyone wants a war, people are just disgusted and saddened at the bullying.

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CloudPop · 01/03/2025 21:03

Wouldn't it be brilliant if he wore a suit to meet King Charles

valder · 01/03/2025 21:03

I would love to have seen Zelensky with an interpreter. That would have slowed things down a bit and taken the wind out of the terrible two's motormouth sails.

But they had come ready to pounce and it was a totally orchestrated setup, so maybe nothing would have worked anyway.

Good to see a nice welcome in the UK. The contrast between Statesmanship and Trumpism is so stark. I say that whether or not you are a fan of Starmer.

itsgettingweird · 01/03/2025 21:03

MarvellousMarch · 01/03/2025 20:33

Well he may have been ambushed but he handled himself extremely well!!
Imagine how tired and frustrated he is.
He didn't shout or loose his temper and the way he said "i know" when they said your country is in big trouble.
He also made some remarks about the suit the guy was wearing who made the comment. The guy that made the comment looked dreadful!!

Even trump said he thought zelensky looked good. Unfortunately I think they sounded and looked like gangstas, talking about suits and looking good and respect and showing thanks.
In fact isn't that the opening of the godfather, showing respect coming here aksing me for a favour?

The way he said "I know" was just heartbreaking.

Imagine being in the position where the country you love is illegally invaded and the answer to that is for 2 people to shout at you live in TV and blame you for the war because you won't give the aggressor what they want for peace.

It was one of those moments where you thought you'd seen it all ...... then ......:

CarmelaBrunella · 01/03/2025 21:03

WhereAreWeNow · 01/03/2025 20:57

I feel the same OP. It was a horrible spectacle to watch. My heart breaks for the Ukrainian people.

How would you feel in Ukraine now? Bombed by the Russians and the Americans behaving like that?

CarmelaBrunella · 01/03/2025 21:05

CloudPop · 01/03/2025 21:03

Wouldn't it be brilliant if he wore a suit to meet King Charles

I'd just love that! It's lucky that Zekensky isn't as petty as me!

JoyousEagle · 01/03/2025 21:06

CloudPop · 01/03/2025 21:03

Wouldn't it be brilliant if he wore a suit to meet King Charles

Haha I thought that earlier.

He won't, because of what he said about wearing one once the war was over. But it would be funny.

ForAzureSeal · 01/03/2025 21:07

Interested to see those who claim they are "for peace" when in fact they mean they are for appeasement. I am no blood thirsty war monger, this is self-defence. If the Russians stop fighting, the war ends. If the Ukrainians stop fighting, Ukraine ends....

CaptainMyCaptain · 01/03/2025 21:08

CloudPop · 01/03/2025 21:03

Wouldn't it be brilliant if he wore a suit to meet King Charles

It would be great if he wears what he usually wears and King Charles respects him for that.

CaptainMyCaptain · 01/03/2025 21:09

ForAzureSeal · 01/03/2025 21:07

Interested to see those who claim they are "for peace" when in fact they mean they are for appeasement. I am no blood thirsty war monger, this is self-defence. If the Russians stop fighting, the war ends. If the Ukrainians stop fighting, Ukraine ends....

And after Ukraine what next? Latvia? Poland? I don't want a war, I have grandsons of military age, but Europe needs to show solidarity and strength.

Dandelion193 · 01/03/2025 21:09

Livelovebehappy · 01/03/2025 20:58

We definitely don’t want to create a war with America. The West against a Russia/America alliance will only create a very likely WW3 and we will all be wiped out. Every country should be working towards peace, not forming alliances and threatening war. It’s scary how some on these threads are baying for war.

Who's trying to start a war with America? 😂 Trump is being an arsehole in front of the whole world and treating other countries with contempt. Other countries will probably stop trading so readily with them etc but they're not threatening to start a war with America. Some of his ' put America first' policies will result in higher prices for normal Americans and other countries making their own retaliatory economic policies against them. Tis politics

TheWombatleague · 01/03/2025 21:10

Molly70 · 01/03/2025 20:39

I don’t think that meeting was the time and place for Zelensky to start lecturing Trump and Vance. He called Vance, JD, which was very disrespectful. Trump ribbed him about his attire when he greeted him but it was a journalist who brought it up in the meeting. Zelinsky was there to sign the mineral agreement and he should have stuck to that and discussed other concerns privately. It was Trump and Vance who were ambushed

Trump went on the attack after a question from a Polish journalist. "I asked this question that you didn't like, so I want to know if you position yourself in the middle between Russia and Ukraine or on the side Ukraine?"

It wasn't because of any perceived "disrespect" from Zelensky, they had this planned all along.

As for the "journalist" who asked the suit question, while ignoring the fact Trump had been selling his shit maga hats in the oval office the day before, ffs.

Ddakji · 01/03/2025 21:10

A former US ambassador to the EU made the point today that what Trump really wants it to break Europe apart. The EU is the world’s biggest trading bloc. Trump wants that for the US.

Let’s be strong, for Europe, for Ukraine, for Zelensky.

Rosesducks · 01/03/2025 21:10

Power isn’t about what’s fair it’s about who controls the narrative, and in that Oval Office showdown, both men were playing for different stakes. Zelensky walked in needing unwavering U.S. support, hoping to reaffirm his country’s moral high ground. Trump, on the other hand, wanted dominance an undisputed claim to being the man who dictates the terms of global order. And let’s be clear, Trump relishes confrontation because in his mind, power is a transaction, not a principle.

Trump didn't just dismiss Zelensky; he humiliated him. Telling him he "doesn’t have the cards" wasn’t just bravado it was a calculated move to strip Ukraine of any leverage. By treating Zelensky as a desperate supplicant rather than a wartime leader, Trump sent a clear message: Ukraine’s survival is a U.S. decision, not a Ukrainian one. And when he coldly stated Zelensky could "come back when he is ready for peace," he wasn’t just shutting the door—he was setting the terms. In one stroke, he positioned himself as the sole arbiter of Ukraine’s fate while making it clear that further support would come with strings attached.

That’s the kind of move a Machiavellian strategist can admire. It’s brutal, but effective. Trump is testing the waters for a potential second term, and he wants the world to know that American policy under him will be transactional—no blank checks, no sentimentality, only deals that serve his interests. Putin couldn't have asked for a better soundbite.

Zelensky, to his credit, stood his ground. But defiance without leverage is just performance. His presence in the Oval Office was meant to project strength, yet Trump turned it into an interrogation. The Ukrainian leader now finds himself in a precarious position: he must maintain international support while dealing with a White House that could turn against him. And make no mistake his visible exhaustion, his struggle to hold the room, all played into Trump’s hands.

Nothing weakens an ally more than making them appear desperate.
That said, Zelensky may have unintentionally played the long game. His fiery defiance has only solidified domestic support in Ukraine. The perception of being “bullied” by Trump could also rally European allies and parts of the U.S. establishment against Trump's isolationist instincts. If he leverages this moment correctly, he can turn Trump’s dismissal into a rallying cry for continued Western aid. The question is will that be enough?

From a pure power perspective, Trump walked away with the advantage. He didn’t just challenge Zelenskyy he reframed the entire U.S./Ukraine relationship.

He put Ukraine on notice: no more automatic support, no more unconditional backing. He played to his base, who see Ukraine as a money pit, and sent a subtle message to Moscow: under a Trump administration, Kyiv would have to fight much harder for American backing.

But power is a long game, and the battlefield isn’t just the Oval Office it’s public perception, global alliances, and the 2024 election. If Zelenskyy and his allies can turn Trump’s arrogance into a liability, if they can make the case that abandoning Ukraine would embolden Putin, then Trump’s cold dismissal may come back to haunt him. But make no mistake if Zelenskyy doesn’t recalibrate his approach, he risks becoming a pawn rather than a player.

In politics, weakness is never forgiven, and Trump just made sure the world saw Zelenskyy on the back foot. Whether Zelensky can turn this moment into strength that’s the real game now.

42isthemeaning · 01/03/2025 21:11

I admire Zelenskyy’s bravery. I feel he is such a courageous individual and he’s the one who should be on the front of Time magazine not Trump! He’s stepped up to defend his country, knowing that Putin’s goons constantly have him in their sights alongside the obvious dangers of leading a country at war from the front.
Nobody is perfect, most of the greatest leaders of all time have been far from it, but Zelenskyy speaks with passion and emotion in his own language and if he’d been given a chance, would’ve done the same in English. He’ll come back from this stronger because he’s just that kind of extraordinary human being!

LovelyJubly12 · 01/03/2025 21:11

Odras · 01/03/2025 20:40

I don’t think we should even treat our enemies like this. Humiliation, bullying. It’s horrific.

They behaved like Mafia.

monsterfish · 01/03/2025 21:13

Trump is an oaf. He managed to insult the queen when she was alive by walking in front of her. And he incited a riot when he did not win an election.

Trump only looks out for no1 - yes I get maybe American cannot keep fuelling this war forever but have some empathy for the Ukrainian leader who has been dealing with this for years.

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