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Zelensky - feeling quite sad

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Bakewelltart1 · 01/03/2025 20:18

I know that there are several threads about him, but I’ve watched the interview again today.
I don’t know what’s made me feel more sad - how exhausted and disappointed he looked, the fact that English isn’t his first language and it must have been hard to speak, let alone speak whilst being verbally attacked, or the suit question.
When the war is over, I want to buy that man the best suit money can buy!
How can anyone kick someone when they are so down anyway.

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CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 23:16

Sorry, cross post, @Patterncarmen

noblegiraffe · 02/03/2025 23:16

It prohibits anyone who "engaged in insurrection" against the United States from holding certain offices

Doesn't seem to have stopped one becoming President?

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:17

CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 23:16

Sorry, cross post, @Patterncarmen

No worries. I found it weird too. Why would you be against equal protection under the law for citizens?

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:18

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 22:41

”In an unearthed interview from 1997, Donald Trump claimed he was a “brave soldier” for avoiding STDs during his single years in the late ’90s.

“It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there. It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave solider,” Trump said in the interview when Howard Stern asked how he handled making sure he wasn’t contracting STDs from the women he was sleeping with.

See here in People Magazine
people.com/politics/trump-boasted-of-avoiding-stds-while-dating-vaginas-are-landmines-it-was-my-personal-vietnam/

So, Trump’s “military service”, his “personal Vietnam” was avoiding STDs.

Again, I never defended Trump. Just corrected a lie. Yet, you still bash on.
Oh yeah, Trump was a Democrat for several years and donated to Harris. LOL!

😬

WEIRD!

CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 23:19

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:17

No worries. I found it weird too. Why would you be against equal protection under the law for citizens?

No idea. Following the Emancipation as well....

CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 23:19

noblegiraffe · 02/03/2025 23:16

It prohibits anyone who "engaged in insurrection" against the United States from holding certain offices

Doesn't seem to have stopped one becoming President?

This ⬆️

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:25

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 22:42

How much do you pay or your employer pay for your health insurance per month?

For the two of us. A bit under $500/mo. including prescription(very basic) dental and vision. About $300 each deductible per year. No copays after deductible.
It goes up every year, like everything else.

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:26

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:18

Again, I never defended Trump. Just corrected a lie. Yet, you still bash on.
Oh yeah, Trump was a Democrat for several years and donated to Harris. LOL!

😬

WEIRD!

Huh? What lie? Never said that Obama or Clinton served. Mr Biden is far from the only US president not to have completed military service: Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren, Millard Fillmore, Grover Cleveland, William Howard Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D Roosevelt, Bill Clinton, Mr Obama, and Mr Trump.

Biden had a physical exam in April 1968 that led to him being classified as I-Y due to asthma which meant he could only be drafted in the case of a national emergency.

Mr Trump claimed that bone spurs were the reason behind his multiple deferments from Vietnam but refused to produce any medical records to prove the claim and his estranged lawyer Michael Cohen later alleged that the luxury property tycoon had once told him: “You think I’m stupid? I wasn’t going to Vietnam.”

This information is from The Independent, which also mentioned Mr Trump and the STD story.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/did-biden-serve-military-record-b2044210.html

BeardofHagrid · 02/03/2025 23:27

Good on him for wearing leisure wear to meet Prince Charles. He’s been in a bunker for three years, we can’t expect him to dress up. He may not be able to afford a suit, bless him.

I’m hoping he will fax through his signature on the minerals deal. Turmp may try some funny business if lovely Z goes back to the White House.

OneLemonDog · 02/03/2025 23:28

Could he be lying about having successfully dodged STDs? Syphilis would go a long way towards providing an explanation...

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:32

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:14

The 14th amendment is not just about birth citizenship. It also ensures equal protection under the law for citizens. It was a response to the issues of formerly enslaved people in the American civil war. It authorizes the federal government to punish states that violate voting rights. It prohibits anyone who "engaged in insurrection" against the United States from holding certain offices

Are you against all of that?

I caught that too late to edit it.

No, just the birthright. It's no longer needed as it no longer makes sense.

Does the UK have birthright citizenship? 🤔🙄

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:34

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:25

For the two of us. A bit under $500/mo. including prescription(very basic) dental and vision. About $300 each deductible per year. No copays after deductible.
It goes up every year, like everything else.

Ok, thanks. that's not a bad plan for the States. Is the insurance tied to the employer? Does it cover chronic illness or pre-existing conditions?

I have the NHS, so don't pay anything. Now, yes, you have to wait sometimes for things, i don't deny that. I've had to wait four months to have a spot looked at on my leg because that was dermatology, but they determined it was a wart, and sorted it out in the clinic then and there. On the other hand, I had access to an osteopath for free for several months when my hip jammed forward due to a loose SI joint, and that was very quick diagnosis and treatment. And, I have paid private for dental work, which is new, as a couple years ago I had an NHS dentist.

On the other hand, because my health insurance was not tied to an employer, I could retire at 57. I don't have the monthly expense, and I don't have to keep working a job just to be insured until pensions/Medicaid.

I pay £9.90 for prescriptions (contraception is free) and when I turn 60 in a couple years, nothing.

It is an interesting issue to me because my father was nearly bankrupted paying my mom's medical bills ...she was chronically ill, and his insurer capped what they would pay. He worked for city government, so it wasn't a bad plan.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:35

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:26

Huh? What lie? Never said that Obama or Clinton served. Mr Biden is far from the only US president not to have completed military service: Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren, Millard Fillmore, Grover Cleveland, William Howard Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D Roosevelt, Bill Clinton, Mr Obama, and Mr Trump.

Biden had a physical exam in April 1968 that led to him being classified as I-Y due to asthma which meant he could only be drafted in the case of a national emergency.

Mr Trump claimed that bone spurs were the reason behind his multiple deferments from Vietnam but refused to produce any medical records to prove the claim and his estranged lawyer Michael Cohen later alleged that the luxury property tycoon had once told him: “You think I’m stupid? I wasn’t going to Vietnam.”

This information is from The Independent, which also mentioned Mr Trump and the STD story.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/did-biden-serve-military-record-b2044210.html

It was one of your UK synchos who said "Trump is the ONLY President who has never served his country" or some such bollocks. Are you feeling guilty by pretending something that hasn't happened, or are you just an azzhat?

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:39

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:32

I caught that too late to edit it.

No, just the birthright. It's no longer needed as it no longer makes sense.

Does the UK have birthright citizenship? 🤔🙄

Yes, it does. https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-born-uk/uk-until-10

There are a few rules

If you lived in the UK until you were 10
If you lived in the UK until you were 10 you might automatically be a British citizen. This can depend on if your parents were British citizens or ‘settled’ in the UK when you were born.
‘Settled’ means you are living in the UK without any time restrictions. This includes people who have one of the following:
‘indefinite leave to remain’
‘settled status’ (also known as ‘indefinite leave to remain under the EU Settlement Scheme’)
permanent residence status
‘right of abode’
If you’re not automatically a British citizen, you might be able to register to become one.
You were born after 31 December 1982 and before 1 July 2006
You’re automatically a British citizen if, when you were born, either:
your mother was a British citizen or settled in the UK
your father was a British citizen or settled in the UK and was married to your mother
You can register to become a British citizen if, when you were born, either:
both of your parents were not British citizens or settled in the UK
your father was a British citizen or settled in the UK and was not married to your mother
You must not have spent more than 90 days outside the UK in each of the first 10 years of your life.

You were born on or after 1 July 2006
You’re automatically a British citizen if, when you were born, one of your parents was a British citizen or settled in the UK.
You can register to become a British citizen if, when you were born, neither of your parents were British citizens or settled in the UK.
You must not have spent more than 90 days outside the UK in each of the first 10 years of your life.

I'm not sure why birth citizenship doesn't make sense though.

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:42

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:35

It was one of your UK synchos who said "Trump is the ONLY President who has never served his country" or some such bollocks. Are you feeling guilty by pretending something that hasn't happened, or are you just an azzhat?

I didn't say that whatsoever. I am saying that President Trump did not appear to have medical records to justify not serving, according to the Independent.

Why would I give you all the information from the newspaper article if I was pretending? I'm just providing facts in response.

Do you have a link to the claim made that Trump is the only president who has never served his country?

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:43

@Patterncarmen
LOL! Birthright citizenship means being a citizen at the moment of birth. So, no, the UK doesn't have it from what you have written.

I'll have to look up what countries have it.

Also, if I was inclined, which I am not, I could write about how Biden destroyed a man's life with lies and his other "sins" but I just don't GAFF. 😎

gatheryerosebuds · 02/03/2025 23:43

@Patterncarmen - I wonder that too.

It certainly seems to have had the desired effect that Europe will be pledging more aid for Ukraine

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:44

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:42

I didn't say that whatsoever. I am saying that President Trump did not appear to have medical records to justify not serving, according to the Independent.

Why would I give you all the information from the newspaper article if I was pretending? I'm just providing facts in response.

Do you have a link to the claim made that Trump is the only president who has never served his country?

Again, I never said you said it. Having trouble with reading comprehension? Maybe a nap would help.

Look it up. I replied to the message. Stop being a RB. Oh wait, you enjoy it.

OneLemonDog · 02/03/2025 23:49

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:42

I didn't say that whatsoever. I am saying that President Trump did not appear to have medical records to justify not serving, according to the Independent.

Why would I give you all the information from the newspaper article if I was pretending? I'm just providing facts in response.

Do you have a link to the claim made that Trump is the only president who has never served his country?

Someone else said it, on the last page, and the MAGAt responded to correct them. You then jumped in and apparently missed the start of the convo.

It's one of the few instances where this poster has a point.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 02/03/2025 23:50

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:08

I suspect that is the price he is willing to pay so the US doesn't interfere with the European effort to defend Ukraine. Musk must have his minerals for his car batteries, no? The thing is to mine the materials properly requires significant investment, and Forbes reported that experts indicated that it probably isn't worth it.

www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2025/02/27/trumps-big-deal-for-ukraine-minerals-it-might-not-pay-off-soon-if-ever-experts-say/

"Likely not any time soon. These minerals “won’t be used to make a profit in the next 10 or 15 years,” Benchmark Minerals Intelligence rare earths pricing analyst George Ingall told Forbes. Ingall noted it’s likely lithium is the priority for any development efforts, but “a realistic expectation” of any Ukrainian lithium supply coming to market is at minimum three or four years away, TD Cowen analyst David Deckelbaum told Forbes. Ukraine will also retain all revenues from existing mines, according to The New York Times, which may preclude the U.S. from accessing the handful of underway mineral projects in Ukraine, including a 90-year-old graphite mine and two early-stage lithium mines, according to Ingall."

That's why I'm wondering if this is really what it is about...if the minerals deal was genuine, or an excuse to set Zelenskyy up for the debacle in the Oval Office. Or, if the minerals deal is just stupidity on the part of the American government. Not sure.

Just watching an interview with the former minister for econ development in Ukraine. Says it's a bit of an illusion the europe can stand up to Trump and that the US holds all the cards. I was hoping for dialogue about the mineral deal, but those questions weren't asked unless I missed it.

I'm switching to something much lighter for a while...the Oscars are coming on tv. 🙄

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:55

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 23:43

@Patterncarmen
LOL! Birthright citizenship means being a citizen at the moment of birth. So, no, the UK doesn't have it from what you have written.

I'll have to look up what countries have it.

Also, if I was inclined, which I am not, I could write about how Biden destroyed a man's life with lies and his other "sins" but I just don't GAFF. 😎

Birthright citizenship means being a citizen at the moment of birth. So, no, the UK doesn't have it from what you have written.

Well, yes it does often, and depends on circumstance. The guidance changes over time. It also depends on when you were born and EU free movement before Brexit. If you were born before 1 January 1983, you are a British citizen automatically at birth, unless your parents were diplomats or enemy aliens.

https://www.gov.uk/check-british-citizenship/born-in-the-uk-or-a-british-colony-before-1-january-1983

What's interesting is if you read further is that if you’re not recognised as a citizen of any country, you may be able to register as a British citizen depending on when and where you were born.

There is a provision for stateless individuals then. If the US gets rid of birth citizenship, what happens to stateless individuals.
*

Born in the UK or a British colony before 1 January 1983

You’re usually a British citizen automatically if you were born in the UK.
There are 3 exceptions. You will not be a British citizen if:

  • your father was a diplomat working for a foreign country
  • your mother was a diplomat working for a foreign country and you were born on or after 10 April 1968
  • your father was an ‘enemy alien in occupation’ in the Channel Islands during World War 2

Born in the UK between 1 January 1983 and 1 October 2000

Whether you’re a British citizen depends on where your parents were from and their circumstances. There are different rules if, when you were born:
at least one of your parents was a British or Irish citizen
at least one of your parents was a citizen of an EU or EEA country
neither of your parents was a British, Irish, EU or EEA citizen
You’re automatically a British citizen if you were adopted by a British citizen in a UK court.
If at least one of your parents was a British or Irish citizen when you were born

You’ll be a British citizen if when you were born at least one of your parents was either:
a British citizen
an Irish citizen living in the UK
If the parent that meets these conditions is your father, he must have been married to your mother when you were born.
If at least one of your parents was a citizen of an EU or EEA country when you were born

You’re automatically a British citizen if when you were born at least one of your parents was both:
a citizen of a country that was in the EU or the EEA at the time
living in the UK with free movement rights
If the parent that meets these conditions is your father, he must have been married to your mother when you were born.

Countries that were in the EU or EEA between 1 January 1983 and 1 October 2000 (other than the UK and Ireland)
Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg and The Netherlands were in the EU by 1 January 1983.
Greece was in the EU by 1983 but Greek citizens did not get full free movement rights until 1 January 1988.
Although Portugal and Spain became EU members on 1 January 1986, their citizens did not get full free movement rights until 1 January 1992.
Austria, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden joined the EEA on 1 January 1994.
Liechtenstein joined the EEA on 1 May 1995.
If your parents were not British, Irish, EU or EEA citizens when you were born
You’re only automatically a British citizen if when you were born at least one of your parents lived in the UK and had one of the following immigration statuses:
indefinite leave to remain (ILR)
right of abode
right of re-admission
If the parent that meets these conditions is your father, he must have been married to your mother when you were born.

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:56

OneLemonDog · 02/03/2025 23:49

Someone else said it, on the last page, and the MAGAt responded to correct them. You then jumped in and apparently missed the start of the convo.

It's one of the few instances where this poster has a point.

Ok fair enough. That's fine.

Llttledrummergirl · 02/03/2025 23:57

Just watching an interview with the former minister for econ development in Ukraine. Says it's a bit of an illusion the europe can stand up to Trump and that the US holds all the cards. I was hoping for dialogue about the mineral deal, but those questions weren't asked unless I missed it.

I don't suppose you can point me in direction of the interview? It sounds interesting.

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 23:57

gatheryerosebuds · 02/03/2025 23:43

@Patterncarmen - I wonder that too.

It certainly seems to have had the desired effect that Europe will be pledging more aid for Ukraine

It is interesting, isn't it?

OneLemonDog · 02/03/2025 23:58

Some countries (mostly in the Americas) have unconditional birthright citizenship.

Others have conditional birthright citizenship, like the UK.

Others don't have the concept at all.

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