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Zelensky - feeling quite sad

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Bakewelltart1 · 01/03/2025 20:18

I know that there are several threads about him, but I’ve watched the interview again today.
I don’t know what’s made me feel more sad - how exhausted and disappointed he looked, the fact that English isn’t his first language and it must have been hard to speak, let alone speak whilst being verbally attacked, or the suit question.
When the war is over, I want to buy that man the best suit money can buy!
How can anyone kick someone when they are so down anyway.

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Wishyouwerehere50 · 02/03/2025 21:02

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 21:00

There’s a whole thread for that elsewhere, let’s keep this one clean?

Is there really? I will go look. 🥰

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 21:04

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 21:02

There is increasing press censorship in the States for sure, and of course, Trump won’t let the Associated Press into the White House press briefings

All in the name of ‘free speech without left wing bias..’ no doubt.

He’s absolutely terrifying.

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 21:05

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 20:57

Great to see decent Americans out and protesting their frankly insane leaders. I feel for them - as I said no matter how bad it is from the UK, it must be ten times worse living under him.

I live in the UK (Husband is British) and am a dual citizen of the USA/UK. My friends/relatives in the USA are having a really hard time with it…one described it as heartbreaking. I have a couple friends looking to get out of the States…one has Italian citizenship via ancestry who wants to retire elsewhere, and the other is applying to get a work visa…doctor and academic. There is going to be a brain drain from the States if the Trump administration continues as it is.

CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 21:09

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 21:05

I live in the UK (Husband is British) and am a dual citizen of the USA/UK. My friends/relatives in the USA are having a really hard time with it…one described it as heartbreaking. I have a couple friends looking to get out of the States…one has Italian citizenship via ancestry who wants to retire elsewhere, and the other is applying to get a work visa…doctor and academic. There is going to be a brain drain from the States if the Trump administration continues as it is.

How awful for them. They must be so frustrated and scared.

piscofrisco · 02/03/2025 21:17

I hope the king has given VZ a slap up dinner and they are sitting by the fire with Camilla pouring some heavy handed G and T's right about now. He deserves it after the few days he's had.

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 21:17

CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 21:09

How awful for them. They must be so frustrated and scared.

Yes, they are. I spent a lot of the evening sobbing after the Oval Office debacle, and I live an ocean away in the UK. This is not the America I knew growing up. I really hoped with the election of Obama the States turned a corner, that people could put aside their prejudice, and we’d have a more inclusive society.

There are Venezuelan refugees allowed in by Biden who are about to deported in the Trump administration. The NY Times reported that some are starting to cross the Canadian border to seek safe haven, walking in the snow to get to the border…the NY Times wrote about a family with small children doing this.

The States was the land that welcomed immigrants….that is what the Statue of Liberty is about. Never thought in a million years this would happen. My grandparents were immigrants to the States; my grandma had a Swiss German accent she never lost, but she learned English and was proud to be American. My mom spoke German and English, and that was perfectly OK.

The present situation makes me sick.

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 21:21

Since Trump 1.0, I’ve thought there should be some kind of visa scheme for Americans wishing to leave. Correct me if wrong but it feels like one half of your country is simply incompatible with the other half, and fighting it out with alternating governments isn’t really working. It feels like one half of the public have more European values and the other half ‘MAGA’ (all on a spectrum obviously). And I’m not sure they can ever really knit together, because they’re just fundamental opposites and almost mutually exclusive.

Over the last couple of days I’ve come to see Vance as an even bigger threat than Trump. Trump is vain and used MAGA as a vehicle, but I think Vance honestly believes it - he’s like Mengele, he has a twisted vision which goes beyond bluster, and is compeltelt ideology driven.

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 21:23

@Patterncarmen I really feel for you. The UK is seeing the States through a very one dimensional lens at the moment, it’s hard to see the humanity but it is there. Hopefully the electorate will start to wake up as Friday was appalling.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 21:29

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 21:17

Yes, they are. I spent a lot of the evening sobbing after the Oval Office debacle, and I live an ocean away in the UK. This is not the America I knew growing up. I really hoped with the election of Obama the States turned a corner, that people could put aside their prejudice, and we’d have a more inclusive society.

There are Venezuelan refugees allowed in by Biden who are about to deported in the Trump administration. The NY Times reported that some are starting to cross the Canadian border to seek safe haven, walking in the snow to get to the border…the NY Times wrote about a family with small children doing this.

The States was the land that welcomed immigrants….that is what the Statue of Liberty is about. Never thought in a million years this would happen. My grandparents were immigrants to the States; my grandma had a Swiss German accent she never lost, but she learned English and was proud to be American. My mom spoke German and English, and that was perfectly OK.

The present situation makes me sick.

There is a limit to how much any country can hold. The US cannot take care of all our hungry and homeless. Yet, we take in 10's of thousands of people who cannot bother to come here legally and put them up in hotels, give them money and let our own citizens suffer and do without.

There is a legal way and an illegal way. The illegal way is not fair to the ones who are doing it the legal way.
EVERY other country, including the UK, has immigration laws. But every other country thinks the USA should just take everyone. Hypocritical.

As for all the asylum stories--these days, the ones sneaking in know exactly what to say to play the pity card. It ruins it for those who could really use asylum.

Might as well really get your dander up. I am against the "birthright citizenship". It's a pile of crap now that the country is well populated. It's outlived its usefulness.

CarmelaBrunella · 02/03/2025 21:30

@Patterncarmen I'm so sorry you're going through this, but entirely understandable 💐.
It seems a world away from the Obama administration, but it's possible to get back there again, if decent Americans have the will - and there must be millions of them.

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 21:30

EVERY other country, including the UK, has immigration laws. But every other country thinks the USA should just take everyone. Hypocritical.

Literally every Western country thinks this about itself.

Baital · 02/03/2025 21:30

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 21:21

Since Trump 1.0, I’ve thought there should be some kind of visa scheme for Americans wishing to leave. Correct me if wrong but it feels like one half of your country is simply incompatible with the other half, and fighting it out with alternating governments isn’t really working. It feels like one half of the public have more European values and the other half ‘MAGA’ (all on a spectrum obviously). And I’m not sure they can ever really knit together, because they’re just fundamental opposites and almost mutually exclusive.

Over the last couple of days I’ve come to see Vance as an even bigger threat than Trump. Trump is vain and used MAGA as a vehicle, but I think Vance honestly believes it - he’s like Mengele, he has a twisted vision which goes beyond bluster, and is compeltelt ideology driven.

Yes, I think this is the start of the break up of the 'united' States. The first really significant separation since the Civil War

But probably inevitable for such a huge and diverse country?

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 21:33

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 21:30

EVERY other country, including the UK, has immigration laws. But every other country thinks the USA should just take everyone. Hypocritical.

Literally every Western country thinks this about itself.

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Because it is true. One cannot just take a plane to the UK and say, now I live here. Waiting for my free healthcare and UC please.
I am not talking about refugees. I'm talking about thousands of boats pulling up and letting 25K people off. Would the UK just take them all and give them housing, food, healthcare? Doubtful

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 21:35

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 21:33

Because it is true. One cannot just take a plane to the UK and say, now I live here. Waiting for my free healthcare and UC please.
I am not talking about refugees. I'm talking about thousands of boats pulling up and letting 25K people off. Would the UK just take them all and give them housing, food, healthcare? Doubtful

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511.amp

Then go on Google maps and see how tiny the UK is compared to the States.

This is not an issue unique to you.

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 21:36

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 21:23

@Patterncarmen I really feel for you. The UK is seeing the States through a very one dimensional lens at the moment, it’s hard to see the humanity but it is there. Hopefully the electorate will start to wake up as Friday was appalling.

Thank you.

America is a complicated place. It has the legacy of Puritanism and religious fundamentalism. It has the legacy of slavery, then segregation, then racial prejudice. The KKK was very active in the 20th century.

It is also vast…each region in some ways is like a different country, BUT the thing that united us was we were American. It used to be that Democrats and Republicans could disagree, but there would be bipartisan deals to get the job done.

I suspect after the financial crisis, there was a widening between rich and poor…the middle class shrunk. That economic hardship, the belief that you should pull yourself up by your own bootstraps (and thus little safety net from the government), meant that a lot of people increasingly suffered, particularly in rural red (Republican) states.

Americans have a very strong work ethic…the American Dream was that hard work led to prosperity, and it surely used to do so. I was told early to get my education, work hard, give it your all, be competitive, be creative and agile. But if working 60 hours a week didn’t get you anywhere, despair sets in, and so does adherence to conspiracy, cults, extremism, racism, fear. Why do you think there has been an opioid crisis in the States? People are trying to escape, and some have chronic illness and poor or no health insurance.

The latter despair drew energy from the historical legacy of racism in the States. There is also the legacy of 9/11 too. Throw in social media and misinformation, the increasing emphasis of teaching to the test in American state school, and not developing critical thinking skills.

And so here we are.

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 21:39

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 21:29

There is a limit to how much any country can hold. The US cannot take care of all our hungry and homeless. Yet, we take in 10's of thousands of people who cannot bother to come here legally and put them up in hotels, give them money and let our own citizens suffer and do without.

There is a legal way and an illegal way. The illegal way is not fair to the ones who are doing it the legal way.
EVERY other country, including the UK, has immigration laws. But every other country thinks the USA should just take everyone. Hypocritical.

As for all the asylum stories--these days, the ones sneaking in know exactly what to say to play the pity card. It ruins it for those who could really use asylum.

Might as well really get your dander up. I am against the "birthright citizenship". It's a pile of crap now that the country is well populated. It's outlived its usefulness.

Were your ancestors immigrants to the States?

BeardofHagrid · 02/03/2025 21:40

Awww no I’m in floods. He’s gonna sign the minerals deal guys 🥲 Terrible news, he’s Trump’s b*tch now.

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 21:42

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 21:29

There is a limit to how much any country can hold. The US cannot take care of all our hungry and homeless. Yet, we take in 10's of thousands of people who cannot bother to come here legally and put them up in hotels, give them money and let our own citizens suffer and do without.

There is a legal way and an illegal way. The illegal way is not fair to the ones who are doing it the legal way.
EVERY other country, including the UK, has immigration laws. But every other country thinks the USA should just take everyone. Hypocritical.

As for all the asylum stories--these days, the ones sneaking in know exactly what to say to play the pity card. It ruins it for those who could really use asylum.

Might as well really get your dander up. I am against the "birthright citizenship". It's a pile of crap now that the country is well populated. It's outlived its usefulness.

Also, if you don’t believe in birthright citizenship, what state do these people belong to? What if their parent’s country won’t take them….do we just send these people to Guantanamo, or do like the states did in WWII to the Japanese American and put them in interment camps or gulags, but in this case forever? Do we execute them for being stateless? What do you think?

Patterncarmen · 02/03/2025 21:45

Wildflowers99 · 02/03/2025 21:35

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511.amp

Then go on Google maps and see how tiny the UK is compared to the States.

This is not an issue unique to you.

Yup. The USA is 40 times bigger than the UK and 6 times the population.

ThisAzureBear · 02/03/2025 21:47

Neither showed any respect for him - regardless of how the deal is going or not going. Considering Trump is the only President never to have served in the Military as he had dodgy feet(!) proof positive that again, his relationship with reality is a little off!

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 02/03/2025 21:54

BeardofHagrid · 02/03/2025 21:40

Awww no I’m in floods. He’s gonna sign the minerals deal guys 🥲 Terrible news, he’s Trump’s b*tch now.

He hasn’t said he is going to sign he says that they remain ready to sign

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 22:13

kattaduck · 02/03/2025 08:16

It's even going to get more expensive and harder to get them with tariffs slapped on so good luck.
While generics are cheaper in the US, they only account for 12% of drug spending. While the average US person has to spend more than double the amount for healthcare provisions than an average UK citizen.

But that's what you guys voted for in exchange for lower taxes.

Well, since they're made in the USA, I think we'll be okay. But thanks for your concern. LOL!

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 22:16

ThisAzureBear · 02/03/2025 21:47

Neither showed any respect for him - regardless of how the deal is going or not going. Considering Trump is the only President never to have served in the Military as he had dodgy feet(!) proof positive that again, his relationship with reality is a little off!

Edited

Wrong. Clinton and Obama never served and Biden, after playing football his whole scholastic career, all of a sudden developed asthma and got deferred. But hey, he's a liberal, so it's okay. Funny how his asthma went away so quickly too.

If you don't know the facts, just tell the lies--the new MN slogan I guess?

TrixieMixie · 02/03/2025 22:24

Ddakji · 01/03/2025 21:14

What do you mean about potential second term? Trump can’t stand again. I thought 2 terms was the maximum a president can do.

That’s right. Trump is already on his second term. US presidents are only allowed a maximum of two - except I believe if the US is at war…..

OneLemonDog · 02/03/2025 22:24

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/03/2025 22:16

Wrong. Clinton and Obama never served and Biden, after playing football his whole scholastic career, all of a sudden developed asthma and got deferred. But hey, he's a liberal, so it's okay. Funny how his asthma went away so quickly too.

If you don't know the facts, just tell the lies--the new MN slogan I guess?

Yeah watch out, if you keep telling easily-disprovable falsehoods, AnnoyedAsAllHeck* *will probably vote for you.

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