Trump's Theory about the Plane Crash

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Just watched his press conference in absolute disbelief. He's just blamed the air traffic controllers as apparently under the Biden administration they recruited people into the role who weren't intellectually capable. He actually blames diversity criteria and basically box ticking.... 'hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities' - that's a direct quote.

As someone with ASD, anxiety and depression who works in a high level, highly skilled role, I am angry on behalf of anyone like me.

The man is a dangerous liar.

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People shouldn't be eliminated because of the group they belong to.

People of any background should be able to take the aptitude test for a job.

If people have excelled at it, then they should not be eliminated against someone who did ok at it.

However - this is different to the issues raised by Trump.

It seems from what people are saying is that there are people in ATC who may have passed the aptitude tests to be an ATC but who didn't do as well as some other people - but these people who excelled didn't get the chance to be an ATC. Or they weren't even able to take the test - or a test was designed so they would not pass.

But the people who did get through have passed an aptitude test and presumably they under took training, exams etc to qualify as an Air Traffic Controller.

They may not have been the best. People who could have been better may well not have even had the opportunity.

BUT they still proved they could do the job. Because as people have said, ATC is a safety critical role so you want people who have proved they can do the job.

Unless people think that the training and the exams etc is not good enough and the people who have qualified are unable to do the job?

Because if that's what people are thinking, then think about all the other safety critical roles there are where people might not be the best but they have proved they can do the job to the expected standards.

Pilots, surgeons, doctors. All people who may not be the best but who have proved to others that they are capable of doing the job to the standards expected.

Blaming Reagan for a crew botching their all weather/cold weather operations procedures would have been more than a stretch…..

This seems extremely dubious.

If you don’t stay on track early on, you’ll just never get a chance to catch on. Sports, the performing arts, education … it seems unfair but you just have to accept it and try to fix it earlier … if indeed it can ever be ‘fixed’.

In any case, you don’t try to fix it at the hiring stage—that is going to lead to disaster and falling standards

What on earth?

If you need X pilots, you hire the best X pilots who apply.

You tailor your tests to, as far as possible, measure ability and potential.

What you don't do is remove people from being able to apply because they are white men, effectively give bonus points to people from certain backgrounds, or use other methods that aren't aimed at finding who is best to do the job.

You also don't set a minimum standard and then start by picking the people with underrepresented characteristics who meet that threshold.

There are so many people advocating for unlawful direct discrimination on this thread. Again, I really hope nobody here is involved in recruitment. In the U.K. and EU you can only take race/sex etc. into account in the event of a genuine tie.

This! I don't think some posters on here have actually done any further research or looked into the background on this re the long going issue and lawsuit.

Even The Times reported on it yesterday about top scoring candidates with good track records and experience being discriminated against as they did not fulfil some criteria on the biographical questionnaire (e.g. you would get plus points if you said you'd not been in a job or been bad at certain subjects at schools - or something along those lines).

Frankly, that's ludicrous but then the US DEI recruitment targets have been impossible to meet without some tinkering by HR/talent acquisition.

I agree, I don't think laypeople outside of recruitment / top level strategic HR in Europe have a clue of what it's like in the US.

@CoteDAzur totally agree- you look at the underlying reasons and address those you can - you don't adopt the ' you too should all have prizes' attitude regardless of aptitude or ability - because you then end up with sub standard work forces picked to 'tick a box' - however Trump is an idiot as we don't even know it was an air traffic control issue

@RetroTotty indeed- I find in general business too with USA ( and we deal with USA a fair bit) a very childish 'our way or the highway' kind of viewpoint crops up a lot- not much compromise going on , barking out demands , trying it on in contracts etc. the reason lots of people don't see Trump as a lot of Brits see him is because his way of behaving/doing business is not 'way out of the norm' in the way we would think it is. Arrogance and bullshitting are accepted ways to get on . Of course not everyone is like this at all but in my opinion it's far more accepted and practised than it would be here

You're right of course. I see that he has actually ordered an immediate look at what's happening with the hires and has reduced helicopter flights so he has actually been quite consistent. I have no time for the man and think and he is dangerous but I really do understand why some Americans like his approach to making and acting on decisions.

You are surely not suggesting that no air crash investigations take place in America unless the president of the day orders it.

The FAA issued the order to stop/very much restrict flights using the DC helicopter routes, whether they were ordered to do so by POTUS who knows.

I’ll put money on Marine One getting an exemption…can’t see POTUS having to motorcade it out to Andrew’s…

No I'm not. What I'm saying is in relation to the thousands of comments under the you tube video I watched linked on this thread by Trump supporters praising his response to this tragedy.