Trump's Theory about the Plane Crash

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Just watched his press conference in absolute disbelief. He's just blamed the air traffic controllers as apparently under the Biden administration they recruited people into the role who weren't intellectually capable. He actually blames diversity criteria and basically box ticking.... 'hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities' - that's a direct quote.

As someone with ASD, anxiety and depression who works in a high level, highly skilled role, I am angry on behalf of anyone like me.

The man is a dangerous liar.

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That would require awareness.

Trump told them the last election was stolen and they stormed a building.

One of his tens of millions of followers, Roseanne Barr, could anywhere else have produced such a nutter?

It certainly has long had the reputation of the nuttiest nationality that we are aware of (in terms of sheer volume in any case, as while every place has its loons the number of theirs dwarf the rest of us combined).

We are all influenced by our surroundings, it shapes us. In Northern Ireland (and Ireland as a whole) the religious devotion for centuries and the tribalism (catholic vs protestant) definitely impacted us in terms of advancement. It left us backward for a long time, a state we are only just beginning to come out of. We still have individuals like Edwin Poots (see the article linked), but his type are now massively outnumbered. The same cannot be said for america (the red states especially, the bible belt region, the area that held on to slavery the longest (which only ended via a war and not by choice), and segregation (again forced on them which only partially ended in the 1960s), and where 14 states still have sodomy laws on their books (only federal law supercedes them). This same region, and in pockets in the more educated, less gullible, less bible thumping, less cultish regions, has tens of millions of Edwin Poots.

45% of the population there are young Earth creationists, ie. the Earth is roughly 6000 years old and man walked with dinosaurs. Let that sink in.

You have to understand a people before you can grasp why they do what they do (lapping up Trump's obvious BS for one), otherwise you won't get it (for example Stephenra believing those who voted for him may have some form of regret... not...a...chance).

None of this is to say smart people vote Democrat (fact is, to steal a Galloway phrase, the parties there are "two cheeks of the same backside", with their policies dictated to by donors). Trump's opponent, the fast tracked out of her depth Harris, was also a shyster. None of the above is the right vote.

So I'm not making a point about politics, just the psyche of a population, and it has long been a wacky population (Birth of a Nation, a hugely popular 1915 film among the 85% of the white population who made up the demographic there at the time, a film also screened at the White House, where the "big bad black character" (played by a white man in blackface) ran after the precious white woman, inducing white people to form the second era Ku Klux Klan (1 in 4 eligible white men there were members). There are endless examples of how nutty that place is, or certainly huge swathes of the people who live there. Your environment shapes you, and like everywhere else it has shaped them.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/11/northern-ireland-edwin-poots-creationist-anti-gay

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If Trump eat all think people with disabilities are incapable of working, they should be exempt from seeking a job and given full benefits.

But no. Disabled people are told on the other hand not to be so lazy and they are quite capable of working if they tried hard enough.

People with disabilities are just low hanging fruit for Trump and his supporters.

Trump is a disgrace. A tragedy should not be used as a podium for him to spout his venom and warped ideals.

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Try thinking about why…….it’s pretty obvious. The Democrats handed it to him on a plate. They kept Biden in office long after it became obvious he wasn’t well enough to lead the country, then following an absolute shitshow of publicised gaffes, they stepped him down at the last minute and shoved Harris in, despite her being highly disliked and not having sufficient time to repair the damage caused by the Biden administration. So if you’re looking for someone to blame, then try the Democrats. The American people had little option. I think a lot of people really wanted Harris to do well in the run up, but she was clearly out of her depth.

I think it's far, far simpler than that - two things: Trump voters, and the fact that the US isn't ready for a female President, let alone a black female President.

It had very little to do otherwise with the Democrats, and I'm sick of seeing the blame for the stain that is Trump being passed onto them.

Trump only thinks of himself. Even if everything he says turns out to be true it’s not the time for him to comment. It does look like the air traffic controller could have been clearer in instructions to the black hawk and the black hawk was at an altitude they shouldn’t have been but it’s not for the president to comment on and certainly not to suggest it’s because of their incompetence due to getting a place because of a diversity hire. There could be other factors we don’t know. The poor families are grieving and don’t need this. A better president would say wait until it’s properly investigated.

They can't be. The rules are international and very strict you cannot be one if you have irritable bowel disease.

Now Trumps freeze on hiring new employees and Elon Musk demanding Michael Whitaker resign, which he did leaving no administrator in charge.

Quote from "no federal civilian position that is vacant at noon on January 20 2025, may be filled, and no new position may be created"

www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/hiring-freeze/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

I’m not sure why the Überlingen disaster is relevant here. Although the Swiss air traffic controller (ATC) in charge at the time of the Überlingen collision was initially held responsible for the accident, it was never suggested this was anything to do with him having ‘mental health issues’.

Subsequent enquiries demonstrated the ATC had been placed in an impossible position by the Skyguide management (based on cost-cutting) and four Skyguide managers were later prosecuted for negligent homicide. Tragically, by the time the truth came out, the grieving father had already fixated on blaming the poor ATC.

It is so easy for the media (controlled by powerful, mega-wealthy people) to persuade us to fear and blame vulnerable, minority groups for all the negative things that happen in our lives, rather than let us see where the blame really lies. Like magicians, they direct our attention elsewhere, (encouraging us to focus blame for our lack of wealth/ healthcare/ homes/ schools/ resources/ jobs/ safety etc on immigrants and people with disabilities or mental health difficulties). Then these power-hungry vultures can take what they want, increase the gap between us and them, and amass ever increasing wealth and power.

The reality is that we all have far more to fear from greedy, narcissistic, megalomaniacs like Trump than we need fear or blame immigrants or people with disabilities or mental health difficulties.

Trump’s ghastly rant yesterday, saying this accident was caused by ‘woke’ groups insisting on employing disabled and intellectually impaired ATCs, is an egregious attempt to score cheap, political points and direct attention away from the decisions he made very recently on cost-cutting measures in air traffic control!

And that's what comes from someone like him 'shooting from the hip' with his unqualified "common-sense" spoutings.

he furiously backpedaled when he realised he'd basically said to the world they'd be unsafe getting on a flight in US. How to trash your country's airline industry in a nano-second!

He has apparently signed an executive order blaming Biden and DEI. Honestly can he not spiral the same way as Truss?

If I was an ATC in the US I'd be looking to go on strike right about now, along with all my fellow ATCs in the US.

And he is the epitome of competence? I don't agree with your take. If she'd have been a white, middle aged man she'd have got the job.

As I have said, people were asking where he got it from, and my point is to say 'this is where he got it from'.

A) you are assuming that's where he got it from.

B) just because you got something from online it doesn't mean you're spreading true information. People spreading what Trumps just said would be spreading misinformation because the cause of the crash is unknown.

C) the actual report doesn't say what he's saying it says and what you're saying and that's where he got it from.

I have read some absolutely ludicrous bollocks on the internet before - I don't repeat it (and I have far less influence and power than Trump) because my ability to think critically make me question the actual truth.

I wasn’t shocked by Trumps response

He is nasty without an ounce of compassion any event will be used to attack his political opponents

its nothing new and he will get worse he has been given another chance, this is how bullies operate they never reflect of their own actions that just beat people down even more

Yes saying 'that is where he got it from' was a summary of my posts saying that a year ago, this was hot news for about a week and then disappeared. I have no idea if he specifically saw the exact same thing because I do not manage his eyes.

She did get the job of being the candidate (without going through the usual process but let's skip that part), it's just that she didn't get enough votes.

‘I have no idea if he saw the same thing because I do not manage his eyes’ is the sort of thing my 11 year old says 😂

Understaffing would be an inconvenient cause of the crash for Trump, who has been merrily slashing public sector jobs.

I think a lot of them just aren't capable of reflection, unfortunately.

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A better president would wait until it's investigated properly.

My ramblings...it may be the result of insomnia talking but…in the night I was thinking how a better president should handle a tragic plane crash that has killed dozens of citizens. In fact how a better president would have handled it in the increasingly distant past.

My simple conclusion was a better president, a true statesman, should obviously respond with a blend of gravitas, solemn dignity and compassion. What would the worst president do? The worst president would use the opportunity of the grieving families losses for his own shabby, shameful agenda, which seems based on blaming minorities for the USAs ills. It is beyond shameful.

Hubert Humphrey (1911-1978) was U.S. Vice President between 1965 to 1969. I know little about him - but in an address in 1976 he said “The ultimate moral test of any government is the way it treats three groups of its citizens. First, those in the dawn of life — our children. Second, those in the shadows of life — our needy, our sick, our handicapped. Third, those in the twilight of life — our elderly.”

Trump fails this test.
The treatment of the weaker, more vulnerable members of society is how a statesman should be assessed. Admittedly Trump did offer condolences for the tragic losses- but a true statesman would stop there. The facts are already suggesting that air traffic understaffing (that he has endorsed) is an issue. Yet he manufactured falsehoods that diversity programmes are to blame- this is the behaviour of a self serving charlatan, not a statesman.

How have we reached a position where true statesmanship qualities are so lacking? What happened to leaders with integrity, moral authority, a clear moral compass, and the ability to build consensus not division?

Somehow the American dream has failed- originally the country was founded on the right for everyone to pursue happiness and improved prosperity through hard work in the United land of opportunity where immigrants can achieve their dreams. Now the weak are reviled.

I've noted there are no Trump supporters giving their reasons for the opposite opinion of Trump in general, not just regarding OPs post. I would genuinely love to see a list of positive reasons for supporting him,mainly out of curiosity. Obviously not everyone on the planet feels the same or he wouldn't have won the election.

DEI is extreme in the US. We saw that in the reports of the Califorian wild fires, with the fire women who were unable to do the necessary fireman's lift and blamed the victims for not getting themselves out of the way!

Can you please give me a reputable source backing up the claims about DEI and the Californian fires?

I am not that poster but I believe that they are referring to the genuine video promoting DEI linked to here on X

x.com/endwokeness/status/1877458240050446339?s=46&t=Ae16YRXiMGxsx0cevxueuA

He's unable to shift gears from campaigning to being President. Saying things as a candidate is somewhat different to saying things as the President. I recall it was similar the first time around - every press briefing is an extension of the campaign trail. Someone needs to remind him he already won so there's nothing to be gained by making a load of speculative remarks before the investigation has even begun.

This is brilliant! Thanks.

I am going to assume he is surrounded by "Yes men". No one is going to stand up to him or to suggest that what he is going to do or say may not be wise.