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Trump's Theory about the Plane Crash

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NameChangedForThis1985 · 30/01/2025 17:05

Just watched his press conference in absolute disbelief. He's just blamed the air traffic controllers as apparently under the Biden administration they recruited people into the role who weren't intellectually capable. He actually blames diversity criteria and basically box ticking.... 'hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities' - that's a direct quote.

As someone with ASD, anxiety and depression who works in a high level, highly skilled role, I am angry on behalf of anyone like me.

The man is a dangerous liar.

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Turkeyneck101 · 31/01/2025 08:22

AlisonDonut · 31/01/2025 07:58

She did get the job of being the candidate (without going through the usual process but let's skip that part), it's just that she didn't get enough votes.

I agree to some extent with this. Biden shouldn't have stayed on, from the get go he should have stated he would do one term only. Most of the rest of the world can face the prospect of a woman( and one of colour) being a leader of their country, sadly America is not one of them, and similarly if the person was gay.
The Democrats risked putting Kamala forward based on that knowledge. At the end of the day Trump still didnt get a landslide victory that he keeps saying he did. There is now a suggestion that about 3 million votes of KHs were 'rejected' can't remember where.

Was she qualified?... absolutely !...much more so that trump? It was obvious she wasnt as skilled for her media presence but to say she wasnt qualified, especially compared to trump, in every other capacity. During the one and only debate she was the more professional and knowledgeable and showed him up so badly ( and she wasnt perfect) he knew it too and was too scared to have another debate with her. Lol. Given a few more years of media training/ experi2nce she would have come across as a more natural performer. Ultimately imho her problem was that the male vote wanted a macho money man and a crypto man who didnt care about womans rights or anything else about women. .

Trump and his team in the last election manipulated the voting as best they could but lost.

littlebilliie · 31/01/2025 08:23

Walkaround · 31/01/2025 08:05

Understaffing would be an inconvenient cause of the crash for Trump, who has been merrily slashing public sector jobs.

"President Donald Trump enacted a sweeping shake-up of the federal agencies responsible for aviation oversight, removing the administrator of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), David Pekoske, and eliminating all the members of a key aviation security advisory group" - Time

Any other time this would have brought a government down.

I imagine the Russian misinformation machine is delighted, the country is led by idiots

Lou670 · 31/01/2025 08:24

Well he is attempting, once again, to run the country with a psychiatric illness. Diagnosed or not the misogynistic orange orangutan is shooting off again talking about things he knows nothing about.

OvaHere · 31/01/2025 08:35

cakeorwine · 31/01/2025 08:21

I am going to assume he is surrounded by "Yes men". No one is going to stand up to him or to suggest that what he is going to do or say may not be wise.

Probably not.

AmateurNoun · 31/01/2025 08:37

I don't think people understand how ridiculous DEI has been in the US.

For example, Asian students had to take a claim all the way to the Supreme Court because they had a much lower admission rate at top universities (looking at the SAT scores which is the main academic test to get into university in the US) due to the universities' DEI programs which sought to make the student body reflect the general population.
https://financialpost.com/opinion/university-admissions-data-reveals-affirmative-actions-harms

This wouldn't be legal in the UK and I don't think people understand what it has been like in the US.

EDIT to clarify, I still don't think there is any evidence that DEI had anything to do with the crash and Trump is an idiot to wade in before the facts are established.

Matthew Lau: New university admissions data reveal affirmative action’s harms

After the U.S. Supreme Court struck down affirmative action in admissions, MIT is letting in more Asian-American students. Read more here.

https://financialpost.com/opinion/university-admissions-data-reveals-affirmative-actions-harms

lonelyplanetmum · 31/01/2025 08:46

Lou670 · 31/01/2025 08:24

Well he is attempting, once again, to run the country with a psychiatric illness. Diagnosed or not the misogynistic orange orangutan is shooting off again talking about things he knows nothing about.

He has been informally diagnosed though? There's a book called The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump containing essays from 27 psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health professionals. The consensus is that he's a properly paranoid psychopathic narcissist- divorced from reality.

John F. Kelly - Trump's chief of staff for two years previously used the book secretly to help him deal with Trump, who he considered to be a pathological liar.

Doesn't seem to make any difference. Any a country of over 340 million people how can he be the top pick.

AlisonDonut · 31/01/2025 08:47

Liveandletlive18 · 31/01/2025 08:10

I've noted there are no Trump supporters giving their reasons for the opposite opinion of Trump in general, not just regarding OPs post. I would genuinely love to see a list of positive reasons for supporting him,mainly out of curiosity. Obviously not everyone on the planet feels the same or he wouldn't have won the election.

Why not quote one of the supporters and ask them? I think you are doing the thing of seeing 'this is what he is referring to' or 'this is what he implemented' and reading that as support for him, rather than an objective viewpoint of a situation.

Unfortunately, for those of us that also post in a differently moderated section of this forum, we are apparently bound by rules imposed there, across every board. So mentioning Trump's derangement would be too 'specific' and thus a suspendable offence. Also mentioning the Republican's derangement would be 'too general' and also a suspendable offence. Ditto Harris and the Democrats. Which leaves us in limbo not able to discuss our personal views, and only being able to refer to 'things that happened'.

I hate him with a burning rage that started a decade ago. I refused to enter the country again until he was gone and i've stuck to it. And I'm even more enraged that the alternate party in the USA enabled him by being completely unable to grasp or legislate for reality. So please don't see things that are not there just because the way that this forum works, and works against people who have been targetted and reported for years.

Livelovebehappy · 31/01/2025 08:56

MarsScarlet · 31/01/2025 03:16

@Livelovebehappy

Try thinking about why…….it’s pretty obvious. The Democrats handed it to him on a plate. They kept Biden in office long after it became obvious he wasn’t well enough to lead the country, then following an absolute shitshow of publicised gaffes, they stepped him down at the last minute and shoved Harris in, despite her being highly disliked and not having sufficient time to repair the damage caused by the Biden administration. So if you’re looking for someone to blame, then try the Democrats. The American people had little option. I think a lot of people really wanted Harris to do well in the run up, but she was clearly out of her depth.

I think it's far, far simpler than that - two things: Trump voters, and the fact that the US isn't ready for a female President, let alone a black female President.

It had very little to do otherwise with the Democrats, and I'm sick of seeing the blame for the stain that is Trump being passed onto them.

So you don’t think the Democrats handled the situation wrong in respect of Biden? You were perfectly happy that they kept their puppet in power til the last possible minute with no obvious back up plan? Who knows, had they replaced him 12 months earlier, they could have made a measured decision regarding who they put up in opposition, and if Harris, she could have had longer to convince the public. After all, those ‘Trump’ fans were less than in 2020 when Biden got in, so clearly some defected to Trump. The fact isn’t down to women being in power, it’s just the quality - both Clinton and Harris didn’t run a good campaign. But you think a woman should be in power regardless of quality and ability?

Livelovebehappy · 31/01/2025 09:02

RafaistheKingofClay · 31/01/2025 00:39

And yet Trump is way more out of his depth than Harris ever was.

Any argument that Harris wasn’t elected due to competency issues is almost immediately undermined by the fact that the person chosen instead was Donald Trump.

Yet many thought different to you. I really wish people wouldn’t automatically assume that because someone of colour isn’t successful it’s because of the colour of their skin. Make it about her sex if you must, but America had Obama who is a POC. It’s attitudes like yours that pushes people into recruiting the wrong people for the job, based solely on the colour of their skin rather than ability. Try better would be my advice to Harris. It’s sad that the best two people in America out of the millions there, for the job, are Trump and Harris.

thepariscrimefiles · 31/01/2025 09:03

Mrsdyna · 30/01/2025 20:59

I don't think it should matter or even exist in hiring protocols.

If, after the interview stage, there are two equally qualified and appointable candidates who did equally well at each stage of the application/interview process and one was white and the other was a personal of colour but all the interviewers were white, who do you think that they are more likely to choose?

Twaddlepip · 31/01/2025 09:08

Lilifer · 30/01/2025 17:07

Do you think people with "severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities" should be air traffic controllers?

Do you often believe what Trump says without engaging any sort of attempt at critical thinking?

PandoraSox · 31/01/2025 09:24

littlebilliie · 31/01/2025 08:23

"President Donald Trump enacted a sweeping shake-up of the federal agencies responsible for aviation oversight, removing the administrator of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), David Pekoske, and eliminating all the members of a key aviation security advisory group" - Time

Any other time this would have brought a government down.

I imagine the Russian misinformation machine is delighted, the country is led by idiots

I think the Russian misinformation machine will next to be made redundant. Who needs misinformation to destabilise a country when you have a lunatic president running riot?

wholettheturnipsburn · 31/01/2025 09:26

B2B25 · 30/01/2025 18:11

I still can't fathom how he ended up with another term in power tbh.

I'm with you. He was a joke the first time around

Now he's an even more dangerous joke.

FoxtrotIndigoSierraHotel · 31/01/2025 09:27

AlisonDonut · 31/01/2025 07:58

She did get the job of being the candidate (without going through the usual process but let's skip that part), it's just that she didn't get enough votes.

Exactly my point. If she'd been a white male she probably would.

MarsScarlet · 31/01/2025 09:31

@Livelovebehappy

So you don’t think the Democrats handled the situation wrong in respect of Biden? You were perfectly happy that they kept their puppet in power til the last possible minute with no obvious back up plan? Who knows, had they replaced him 12 months earlier, they could have made a measured decision regarding who they put up in opposition, and if Harris, she could have had longer to convince the public. After all, those ‘Trump’ fans were less than in 2020 when Biden got in, so clearly some defected to Trump. The fact isn’t down to women being in power, it’s just the quality - both Clinton and Harris didn’t run a good campaign. But you think a woman should be in power regardless of quality and ability?

I do think the Democrats could have handled that better, yes, but even if with a longer lead time, I don't believe Harris could have won anyway. I don't quite understand your last sentence in context - no, I don't think that? Harris was the better candidate, though, obvs.

Crikeyalmighty · 31/01/2025 09:37

@thepariscrimefiles in no way am I supporting Trump who is a batshit total narcissist and not very bright either- but the reverse of that is true- I know one very large UK business where you aren't getting a job in management as it stands unless you are female , of colour and gay - because they are appointing in their own image- there does come a point when whilst diversity is good, it needs to be 100% on merit, not on box ticking.

AlisonDonut · 31/01/2025 09:54

FoxtrotIndigoSierraHotel · 31/01/2025 09:27

Exactly my point. If she'd been a white male she probably would.

Depends on which white male. White males have lost elections in the USA since the start of the USA. Perhaps if she had policies that people liked it would have tipped her over the edge?

I can't give examples as to why people may not have voted for her, as that earned me a 2 week suspension last time. Maybe some of her specific policies were the issue?

FoxtrotIndigoSierraHotel · 31/01/2025 09:55

AlisonDonut · 31/01/2025 09:54

Depends on which white male. White males have lost elections in the USA since the start of the USA. Perhaps if she had policies that people liked it would have tipped her over the edge?

I can't give examples as to why people may not have voted for her, as that earned me a 2 week suspension last time. Maybe some of her specific policies were the issue?

Generally white males have lost elections against other white males.

Wonderfulstuff · 31/01/2025 10:03

DEI has nothing to do with this tragedy and it's awful that Trump has planted this seed into so many minds that it is now becoming the talking point rather than reflecting on the loss of life.

Livelovebehappy · 31/01/2025 10:09

FoxtrotIndigoSierraHotel · 31/01/2025 09:55

Generally white males have lost elections against other white males.

And white males have lost to black males. Ie Barack.

FoxtrotIndigoSierraHotel · 31/01/2025 10:30

Livelovebehappy · 31/01/2025 10:09

And white males have lost to black males. Ie Barack.

"Generally" bring the keyword in that sentence. This has happened once. The only time women have stood,.they have lost.

AlisonDonut · 31/01/2025 10:39

FoxtrotIndigoSierraHotel · 31/01/2025 10:30

"Generally" bring the keyword in that sentence. This has happened once. The only time women have stood,.they have lost.

So you are saying that women should win just because they are women?

FoxtrotIndigoSierraHotel · 31/01/2025 10:43

AlisonDonut · 31/01/2025 10:39

So you are saying that women should win just because they are women?

No, I'm saying that women don't win because they're women.

kinkytoes · 31/01/2025 11:13

Just catching up with this.

Was trying to see Trumps speech but couldn't watch on my usual channel without some pious BBC man interjecting every few seconds with his take on what was said.

Honestly do the BBC do this with anyone else? Can we not make our own judgements?

snugsnug1 · 31/01/2025 11:14

AmateurNoun · 31/01/2025 08:37

I don't think people understand how ridiculous DEI has been in the US.

For example, Asian students had to take a claim all the way to the Supreme Court because they had a much lower admission rate at top universities (looking at the SAT scores which is the main academic test to get into university in the US) due to the universities' DEI programs which sought to make the student body reflect the general population.
https://financialpost.com/opinion/university-admissions-data-reveals-affirmative-actions-harms

This wouldn't be legal in the UK and I don't think people understand what it has been like in the US.

EDIT to clarify, I still don't think there is any evidence that DEI had anything to do with the crash and Trump is an idiot to wade in before the facts are established.

Edited

Yeah. And in response to that, this is what we've ended up with, which will ultimately make government, law, law enforcement and the judiciary much less representative of the population. Add the new repressive abortion laws and the fact they're coming for birth control and we can go totally back to the 1950s, with white men right back at the top as God apparently intended.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/16/us/harvard-law-black-students-enrollment-decline.html?unlocked_article_code=1.tU4.2PoR.e64eVk6Aezk9&smid=url-share

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