Trump's Theory about the Plane Crash

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Just watched his press conference in absolute disbelief. He's just blamed the air traffic controllers as apparently under the Biden administration they recruited people into the role who weren't intellectually capable. He actually blames diversity criteria and basically box ticking.... 'hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities' - that's a direct quote.

As someone with ASD, anxiety and depression who works in a high level, highly skilled role, I am angry on behalf of anyone like me.

The man is a dangerous liar.

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Americans will suffer the consequences of re-electing this idiot. He is dangerous and there are not enough words to describe his stupidity. There will be an uproar across the world over his disgusting comments.

You have helped me tremendously to know that I'm right in how I acted, thank you.

That’s why there is a pending court case. Those who had passed their exams were initially denied jobs because of this programme used 20 places. Eventually, with this programme was ended, others were allowed to apply again.

If there was only one air traffic controller working that night, who did he say "Did you see that?" to after seeing the crash fireball?

Autism isn’t a mental health issue

Can you explain why it’s irrelevant? It seems like a real world dilemma to me. What am I missing?

You said that if two candidates were equally qualified and the only difference was that one was a white male and the other an underrepresented person, that to go for the underrepresented person would be unfair (I’m paraphrasing). So unfair to the white male?

‘How would you decide?’ is an excellent and respectful question.

Hopefully they'd always check the person was capable of doing the job, but with DEI that won't be the best person for the job, but someone adequate who filled the quota. If DEI made no difference it wouldn't need to exist.

DEI exists because for many many years the presumption was that the white person and usually the white male applying for the job WAS the best person for the job even if they weren't. It challenges that. See what happened when orchestras started auditioning blind. It can't be that DEI musicians suddenly started getting better. It was because the people assumed men and white people were better than women and people of colour with no objective basis for that assumption. It was a prejudice, a bias. Once they couldn't see who was auditioning the orchestra make-up changed. Do you think it would have changed if we had earnestly said "Now make sure you pick the best person" They honestly felt they weren't biased and were picking the right person - but it turns out they were biased and weren't picking the right person.

I find it hard to believe people really have forgotten history - recent history - and think that it is all hunky dory now for minorities, people with disabilities, women so let's stop favouring them. We have never favoured them.

Please look at the current investigation. There was one air traffic controller doing the job that is usually covered by two. This information isn’t difficult to find.

'We need to be removing diversity and inclusivity criteria from all job roles. The best person for the job should get it - regardless of sex, race etc.'

But the issue is that the best person for the job doesn't always get it - because they're not white, male, middle class etc etc. We' ve all seen white blokes promoted way beyond their capability.

Well they work for a leading HH firm and I know several others in that industry too I'm not sure you know how HH works?
As you can imagine it's very hard to actively head hunt certain protected characteristic individuals (not everyone will state if they have autism or are gay etc) so it's fairly obvious, when you think about it, that it's incredibly hard.

This has been more of an issue - in terms of difficulty in building the long and short list - for some public company boards. Very very tricky!

You are welcome.

That it shouldn't even be a consideration.

I understand now why I thought it was not an intelligent question and yet others thought it was very impressive and it's because we have incompatible beliefs.

Don't paraphrase, quote.

Maybe @Atlasvue is ignoring this question:

The candidates in this program will receive the same rigorous consideration in terms of aptitude, medical and security qualifications as those individuals considered for a standard public opening for air traffic controller jobs.

Aptitude
Medical

What do you think this means?

My goodness. I’ve already answered this.

You believe that the candidates were held to the same standard in training. I’m saying there’s a reason why the programme ended and it’s because they weren’t.

Since you ask:

Not at all.
I've evidenced a number of recruitment attempts where preferences were given to DEI candidates. It was obvious they weren't the best, but assumed they were good enough. These cases nearly always resulted in failure down the line.

My own experience doesn't matter, it might be just a "sequence of unfortunate events", but have a look at this example.
Ordinary Scots rejected by Edinburgh university, says MSP - BBC News

Isn’t head hunting just getting a selection of possibles though rather than the actual recruitment process? Presumably anyone not up to the job would get weeded out during the selection process. And the reason it’s hard to get full representation from all groups is precisely because of discrimination.

No you haven't.

You were asked repeatedly about this - and didn't answer it.

I'll ask this again

He’s saying they might have been hired because they ticked a diversity box rather than because they were the best person for the job.

Bingo

Go look

Are you guessing or have you seen this alleged anywhere? Genuine question. Everything I've seen suggests that the screening was only the elementary stage and that all other stages and training were subject to the same standards.

My assumption would be that the programme ended because of the pending legal action, and they didn't want the class action to expand?