Thread 16 Starmer - Mad World

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5251589-thread-15-starmer-nolite-te-bastardes-carborundorum?page=40&reply=141533067

I don't envy that job, to have to deeply consider such grotesquely traumatic things. To be able to do so and hold in mind your role in getting justice for the victims, and play your part must take great strength.
How they sleep without being haunted by what they've read, I don't know. 💐

Wasn't that a Big Tory Idea ?

Justice Goose: “Had he been 18, I would have been impelled to impose a whole life term meaning he would never be released. However, the law does not permit such a sentence for those under 18 at the time that they committed the offence.

The judge however adds: “I consider at this time that it is unlikely he will ever be released.”

At least we can discuss the case here, without wading through the hateful posts x

52 years minimum.

Good

Yep. As the judge said, in reality he will never get out.

The level of ferocity of the attacks is almost unbelievable. That combined with his glee over the deaths. He must never be released.

Yes, the fact that it all happened within 15 minutes shows the ferocity.

What happened, why has a young man turned out like this? It is very hard to comprehend.

Systems like that certainly do exist. Every school should have a cyber security policy and procedures to monitor use above and beyond an adult in the room physically watching the screens (which is impossible).Flagged up searches go to a designated person. They are then checked (who searched, why those search terms, where were they etc?) and action taken if necessary. There is lots and lots of training on this and Governing Bodies should be including questions on it regularly, preferably with a nominated Cyber Security Governor.

I’m struggling to think. Spending too long in dark places on the internet. Surely some form of mental illness. I don’t like all the posts advocating that he should be done in in prison.

He'll be 69 before he can even go in front of the parole board.

If he survives that long as being incarcerated long term isn't a healthy lifestyle.

I was really impressed with the judges sentencing. He explained it very clearly and I think the families were given extremely clear in formation about why it's not a life order and why he had to reduce for certain factors but he was reducing from the highest tariff.

I've been at work but managed to listen to R4 for 20 minutes at lunchtime just as he was playing stupid games and being removed again.

I was once again impressed with how the judge responded to his antics.

I hope judges get good occupational health support after cases like these.

A diversion - it's all a bit much

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/trump-musk-farage-reform-twitter-b2684813.html

Well if you want to distract yourselves go watch Trump’s address to the WEF in Davos. Apparently we are going to be paying 5 per cent of GDP towards defence. The President of the World has ordained it. And apparently we should all be manufacturing in the USA with virtually no regulation. Not sure how one would enter if no immigrants are welcome but sounds like business expats are.

On the trial, the defendant is a danger to the public and I was assuming it was going to be 50 years minimum to take him to an elderly category and glad to see the judge managed another couple of years, as a minimum term.

John Crace

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/23/kemikaze-shows-not-sorry-in-first-broadcast-as-tory-leader-john-crace

@SerendipityJane - yes a big hoo haa about forcing them to attend.

I would like offenders like this rot. He deserves obscurity

I am pleased that the judge sentenced to him to 52 years but simultaneously I don't think there will ever be a fitting punishment for such a crime. I just dont have the words for it.

Crace never disappoints. This sounds like a MN thread:

Everything was still a bit rubbish and Keir Starmer was too much of a lawyer to be competent. The idea that the endemic problems in the country might take longer than six months to fix hadn’t occurred to her. Next some Faragist flag waving about immigration. Again, no responsibility taken.

I think maybe everyone should stop naming him, as New Zealand did with the Christchurch shooter.

I assume that the inquiry will show this offender had a suspected personality disorder or showed signs of one.

That does not make him insane, or mentally ill. Just a very dangerous person.

There will be some difficult questions about his upbringing I should think. These things don't suddenly appear overnight.

I see the trial is bringing out the xenophobes this evening.🤮

Sticking to this thread only today.

There are STILL posters who think he's Muslim and an immigrant - it's bordering on delusional

If anyone is interested - these are all the times he had contact with the police - largely focussed on his interest in knives

Police failed to arrest Southport killer when caught with knife two years before attack

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/23/police-failed-to-arrest-southport-killer-when-caught-with-knife-two-years-before-attack

A lie is halfway round the world while the truth is getting it's boots on.

I refer you to my experience of correcting someone, only to hear them deliberately spouting the lies the next day.

Winstanley said the teenager’s parents asked officers for “assistance to help cope with him”

Yet there are hate riddled posters on MN calling for the father to be prosecuted as "he must have known".

The system has failed everyone in this case.