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Fucking Neil Gaiman!!

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Maximusdecimus · 14/01/2025 07:06

Such a nasty sordid case, and it now seems like his ex-wife is being implicated? He painted himself as an ally and a feminist. Sick of this fucking rhetoric with men. Are there no decent men anywhere?

Anyone with any doubts should listen here
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/master-the-allegations-against-neil-gaiman/id1756088562

Am gutted as I have so loved his books.

Master: the allegations against Neil Gaiman

Master: the allegations against Neil Gaiman

Documentary Podcast · 6 Episodes

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/master-the-allegations-against-neil-gaiman/id1756088562

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Battytwatty · 14/01/2025 07:13

Thanks I will give it a listen. Never read him but heard of him.

Lentilweaver · 14/01/2025 08:33

There are decent men. But beware of male feminists, allies, those who yap on all day about women's rights on social media. And those in a supposedly open marriage.

Shoxfordian · 14/01/2025 09:06

Yeah I listened to the podcast
It's really nasty abusive behaviour

Lentilweaver · 14/01/2025 11:19

Apparently his wife Amanda Palmer was complicit in procuring troubled and penniless young women for him to rape.

Feet of clay. As always.

UnhealthyCopingStrategies · 14/01/2025 12:51

Long running thread on the feminism board about this! Disgusting

Turophilic · 14/01/2025 13:04

It’s absolutely horrific - I think it’s 9 women now, and all the same stories of abuse. When it first broke in July I couldn’t believe how little traction the story got. I’m glad people are finally listening to the women involved.

And he doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong, the bastard. It’s like they aren’t human beings to him.

I’m very uncomfortable with how much blame is focused on Amanda Palmer. Gaiman is responsible for his abusive actions.

WiltingAtTreadmills · 14/01/2025 13:13

UnhealthyCopingStrategies · 14/01/2025 12:51

Long running thread on the feminism board about this! Disgusting

Yes, it's been discussed on there for months - noting the utter silence from Gaiman. It looks like it's taken a while to get a thoroughly researched and comprehensive article though - the world is finally noticing.

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Birdscratch · 14/01/2025 13:17

I never trust a man who is so keen on telling the world how much he supports women and is a ardent feminist.

I agree. It’s a huge red flag.

DaDaDoDaiDa · 14/01/2025 13:24

Am gutted as I have so loved his books.

Being a thoroughly unpleasant person and being a talented writer are not mutually exclusive.

InkHeart2024 · 14/01/2025 13:33

Lentilweaver · 14/01/2025 11:19

Apparently his wife Amanda Palmer was complicit in procuring troubled and penniless young women for him to rape.

Feet of clay. As always.

Fucking hell. I always thought she was a bullshit faker as a feminist and artist but I didn't think she was a woman hater too. This is awful if true.

Pancakeflipper · 14/01/2025 13:36

Bloody hell. There's been rumours for a while hasn't there?

His books much loved by my DS and I'm not going to buy anymore (unless this is all false) because I'm not lining the pockets of abusers (regardless of his writing talent,).

Lentilweaver · 14/01/2025 13:43

Pancakeflipper · 14/01/2025 13:36

Bloody hell. There's been rumours for a while hasn't there?

His books much loved by my DS and I'm not going to buy anymore (unless this is all false) because I'm not lining the pockets of abusers (regardless of his writing talent,).

14 women have come forward. Its not false.
Gaiman himself says it was consensual. As if there can be consent between a 65 year old and a 22 year old penniless nanny.

SharpOpalNewt · 14/01/2025 14:04

I first read these allegations about him a couple of years ago.

Have to say while I loved many of his books, so beautiful, funny and imaginative, I was rather shocked by American Gods which was so violent and explicit- sexual stuff as well. I always do slightly wonder about anyone who can write things like that, and it did make me reflect on whether he was showing his true colours - though I'm by no means implying that there is always a connection with what someone creates and what they get up to in real life.

There certainly is a common theme with other men thinking they are such a genius and so absolutely untouchable that they can get away with anything.

kiterunning · 14/01/2025 14:07

At last this sordid abuser has been exposed in the mainstream media.
We've been discussing him on the feminist pages for months.

Keenovay · 14/01/2025 14:48

I'm glad to see this bumped up the agenda again. According to Rachel Johnston, the NY magazine article presents material the Tortoise podcast couldn't include due to the UK's tougher libel laws.
https://x.com/RachelSJohnson/status/1878776384199209442

I am irritated by the take that Amanda and Neil are equally culpable though, and comparisons with the systematic sourcing of girls for Jeffrey Epstein by Ghislaine Maxwell. Both women had comfortable lifestyles as a result of their relationships with very rich men, so had a lot to lose, but I suspect Amanda has justified all manner of awful situations to herself without expressly entering a compact to deliver victims to Neil. When confronted, she expresses regret and engages with the situation (at least until legal damage control mechanisms like NDA's kick in).

His responses on the other hand are dead-eyed and psychopathic eg "On one of these visits, he found her crying by the fireplace. He walked over to her, stuck his thumb in her mouth, and twisted her nipples. She told Gaiman the arrangement was making her “feel bad.” She recalls him replying, “I don’t want you to feel bad.”"

It's as if people expect men to be awful, but hold women to a much higher standard, that they should intervene and manage the situation - hence when a famous man does something dreadful, the chorus asks what the women in their life knew, and why they didn't do anything, even when they were victims themselves.

Amanda seems narcissistic, self-serving and exploitative, but I can't see that she broke any actual laws, whereas her nightmare of an ex should definitely be in prison.

Maximusdecimus · 14/01/2025 16:35

the full article is here it is behind a paywall, if anyone can break into it
www.vulture.com/article/neil-gaiman-allegations-controversy-amanda-palmer-sandman-madoc.html

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Maximusdecimus · 14/01/2025 16:36

Apologies only just seen this

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EsmaCannonball · 14/01/2025 17:00

Feminist men always turn out to be foxes in the hen-house.

SheilaFentiman · 14/01/2025 17:02

I don’t think AFP has covered herself in glory but I think calling her complicit in procuring young women for Gaiman is considerably overstating it.

From the Vulture article, it seems like one of the victims (Scarlett) told AFP in March 2022 after the assault in the bath (in early feb 2022) the incident in the hotel room (mid Feb 2022) and various other horrible things in that month. At this point, Scarlett wasn’t describing them as assault or rape.

It seems that AFP tried to take care of Scarlett afterwards in her flat and via a mutual friend. However, AFP should have provided a statement to the police when asked.

This is a long way from Ghislaine Maxwell and Gaiman clearly shoulders most of the blame.

SheilaFentiman · 14/01/2025 17:03

Non paywalled article (you will have to copy/paste the address)

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/2025.01.13-141009/www.vulture.com/article/neil-gaiman-allegations-controversy-amanda-palmer-sandman-madoc.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.is/2025.01.13-141009/www.vulture.com/article/neil-gaiman-allegations-controversy-amanda-palmer-sandman-madoc.html

DangerPigeon · 14/01/2025 17:09

Awful and at the same time so disappointing, he portraid himself as one of the good ones

Juliagreeneyes · 14/01/2025 17:30

Lots of horrified reactions from the SF and fantasy-reading acquaintances on my social media, saying they’ll be purging their bookshelves (I never got into the horrible man’s gothy works myself, thank goodness - they always seemed offputting to me). But many of those same people were hopping up and down about JK Rowling too, and my goodness doesn’t this put that into perspective?

Think of the absolute vilification Rowling got for merely (and politely) expressing an opinion that women shouldn’t be forced out of jobs for saying sex is real. And compare that to the indulgence often shown to really nasty men like Gaiman, who actually go about assaulting and abusing. I hope some of his former fans have a little bit of a think about how Rowling was treated (and will be treated) compared to him.

Maximusdecimus · 14/01/2025 17:41

Agree. But they won’t. Somehow sexually abusing women is nowhere near as important as cancelling jk.

its a real shame, I love his books and he reads them beautifully. I deleted my back catalogue from audible today. JKR is still firmly on there.

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