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Fucking Neil Gaiman!!

153 replies

Maximusdecimus · 14/01/2025 07:06

Such a nasty sordid case, and it now seems like his ex-wife is being implicated? He painted himself as an ally and a feminist. Sick of this fucking rhetoric with men. Are there no decent men anywhere?

Anyone with any doubts should listen here
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/master-the-allegations-against-neil-gaiman/id1756088562

Am gutted as I have so loved his books.

Master: the allegations against Neil Gaiman

Master: the allegations against Neil Gaiman

Documentary Podcast · 6 Episodes

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/master-the-allegations-against-neil-gaiman/id1756088562

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Uricon2 · 15/01/2025 17:18

I very much doubt that Terry Pratchett or many others were aware of the things Gaiman was doing. It's a bit like the well liked local guy who is found to be a paedophile and everyone says they didn't have a clue.

Lots of things are done in the shadows, dark things in dark corners and only shared with those they know will approve.

Rollse · 15/01/2025 17:21

Juliagreeneyes · 14/01/2025 17:30

Lots of horrified reactions from the SF and fantasy-reading acquaintances on my social media, saying they’ll be purging their bookshelves (I never got into the horrible man’s gothy works myself, thank goodness - they always seemed offputting to me). But many of those same people were hopping up and down about JK Rowling too, and my goodness doesn’t this put that into perspective?

Think of the absolute vilification Rowling got for merely (and politely) expressing an opinion that women shouldn’t be forced out of jobs for saying sex is real. And compare that to the indulgence often shown to really nasty men like Gaiman, who actually go about assaulting and abusing. I hope some of his former fans have a little bit of a think about how Rowling was treated (and will be treated) compared to him.

Don’t take away from this awful case by complaining about how people don’t like nasty bigots like jk Rowling. Two completely different scenarios, by Christ transphobes can’t be quiet even for a second

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 15/01/2025 17:24

Rollse · 15/01/2025 17:21

Don’t take away from this awful case by complaining about how people don’t like nasty bigots like jk Rowling. Two completely different scenarios, by Christ transphobes can’t be quiet even for a second

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Oh bore off. Find one ‘transphobic’ thing she’s said other than stating facts. Copy and paste will do just fine.

Luminousalumnus · 15/01/2025 17:24

Glinner bless him, had spoken out years ago it seems and been rubbished by the usual suspects as always.

Juliagreeneyes · 15/01/2025 17:48

Rollse · 15/01/2025 17:21

Don’t take away from this awful case by complaining about how people don’t like nasty bigots like jk Rowling. Two completely different scenarios, by Christ transphobes can’t be quiet even for a second

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Yeah, because saying the female sex is real is just like rape and sexual abuse, isn’t it? It’s right up there with serious criminal offences. FFS.

Bore off with your tiresome grift about made up teenage gender nonsense. Gaiman was all for it.

And maybe read Rowling’s actual essay before you continue to make a fool of yourself on the internet.

godmum56 · 15/01/2025 18:00

lolaflores · 15/01/2025 17:09

With regard to Terry Pratchett; whilst I am a massive fan for many years and know so little about him personally, I feel that his life with dementia had been ongoing for sometime before it was public knowledge. And, I'm sure Gaiman was as charismatic and charming to TP and his family as he was to the world at large.

It seems that the people who saw the disgusting piece of waste that he really was were sadly those he treated as slaves and receptacle for his abuse.

He was probably many things to many people but not many, or certainly those who's continued support he valued, knew the worst side of him. As has been said too often in too many circumstances like this; he was hiding in plain sight. In his world there were those people who were disposable and then other who were of value. And I doubt his sons well being ranks very high amongst all of that. Pure shite bag

How often on here do people post " am devastated, I just found out that my xxx is a serial yyyer" or "my friend/friend's partner/father" has been zzzing for years.

lolaflores · 15/01/2025 18:22

Luminousalumnus · 15/01/2025 17:24

Glinner bless him, had spoken out years ago it seems and been rubbished by the usual suspects as always.

Really??? Well I say....

Abhannmor · 15/01/2025 18:34

Rollse · 15/01/2025 17:21

Don’t take away from this awful case by complaining about how people don’t like nasty bigots like jk Rowling. Two completely different scenarios, by Christ transphobes can’t be quiet even for a second

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Nonsense. The cult will close ranks around him anyway. And I don't mean Scientology.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 15/01/2025 18:39

I had always assumed that I liked Gaiman's books because I liked good omens. Turned out I just waded through them because I like good omens. But I presumably liked the Pratchett bits and the good omens 2 tv series was shit.

Thing is Pratchett probably had a few friends who turned out to be shits. Lots of us do. He wasn't a saint or a god and I doubt Gaiman tried to sexually assault him. Let's not forget that Pratchett invented an entire universe and still made it one where women are treated as inferior beings, just like Earth. I say that as someone who loves his work.

Gaiman first made my skin crawl when l Mr Nancy was written out of the American Gods tv series. Heaven forbid that a black America gives ideas about a gosld that came across on a slave ship and experienced history there as a person of colour. Seems like he is just collecting unpleasant attributes.

Thebogopogopanpacificgrandprix · 15/01/2025 18:42

Luminousalumnus · 15/01/2025 17:24

Glinner bless him, had spoken out years ago it seems and been rubbished by the usual suspects as always.

He's had a rough ride the last few years

lolaflores · 15/01/2025 19:56

Thebogopogopanpacificgrandprix · 15/01/2025 18:42

He's had a rough ride the last few years

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And Gaiman didn't help either. Joined in the hue and cry and sent some particularly ugly emails. GlinNEr saw round some of his shite.

lolaflores · 15/01/2025 20:02

The ugliness of his imagination unsettled me. It is a dark and viscerally unpleasant place that I felt uneasy in. Did he want that as well? Was he enjoying people's revulsion and discomfort?

There was an attention to detail that made me wonder how some of it was woven out of pure imaginative power. I wondered at the time if his books/novels/screenplays were just places for him to indulge his fantasies and then sell them not the other way round.

Anyway. Wonder who will defend the creative genius.

Stravaig · 15/01/2025 20:03

Vulture article (archived)

Jellycats4life · 15/01/2025 20:12

Lalgarh · 14/01/2025 20:24

Wonder if he tried any of this stuff with his TRA fans.

Sci FI and fantasy, as that Vulture article notes, is full of people who are vulnerable and initially offering themselves to their hero who's written some book that speaks to them. It's why online culture becomes so toxic as they inhabit that world as what they seeas a safe space, and are so easily driven to rage over criticism of their beloved text (doctor who, star trek fandom etc, of which many overlap on gender, mental health, abuse survivors #BeKind and General Activism and etc)

People who flock to fantasy conventions and signings make up an “inherently vulnerable community,” one of Gaiman’s former friends, a fantasy writer, tells me. They “wrap themselves around a beloved text so it becomes their self-identity,” she says. They want to share their souls with the creators of these works. “And if you have morality around it, you say ‘no.’” It was an open secret in the late ’90s and early aughts among conventiongoers that Gaiman cheated on his first wife, Mary McGrath, a private midwestern Scientologist he’d married in his early 20s. But in my conversations with Gaiman’s old friends, collaborators, and peers, nearly all of them told me that they never imagined that Gaiman’s affairs could have been anything but enthusiastically consensual. .”

That’s a lot of words dancing around one key word: autism. Spot on though.

iloveeverykindofcat · 16/01/2025 16:38

DaDaDoDaiDa · 14/01/2025 13:24

Am gutted as I have so loved his books.

Being a thoroughly unpleasant person and being a talented writer are not mutually exclusive.

I mean, Gaiman is much more than an unpleasant person, he's an unrepentant rapist. I didn't have much in him as I've only ever read Good Omens, years ago, I thought it was pretty good but didn't make me want to run out and buy his next one, and it didn't leave a huge impression on me. But - when I was in college, I read Midnight's Children, and it absolutely blew my mind. At the time, it was the best book I'd ever read, and I still think Salman Rushdie is quite possibly the best writer alive today. Anyway, a few months later, I co-incidentally had the chance to go to an event at which Salman Rushdie would be. I was in pieces. And I had a neighbour who was a bit older than me and also coincidentally Indian, though I don't know how if that played into her knowledge in anyway. She took me aside and said something like, "I want to say something to you. You are a petite little mixed race girl with light skin. Be careful please. You are exactly his type."

I had absolutely no idea what to make of it. I was a very naive 19 year old.

godmum56 · 16/01/2025 18:33

lolaflores · 15/01/2025 20:02

The ugliness of his imagination unsettled me. It is a dark and viscerally unpleasant place that I felt uneasy in. Did he want that as well? Was he enjoying people's revulsion and discomfort?

There was an attention to detail that made me wonder how some of it was woven out of pure imaginative power. I wondered at the time if his books/novels/screenplays were just places for him to indulge his fantasies and then sell them not the other way round.

Anyway. Wonder who will defend the creative genius.

Yes this. Same with David Edding's Conan book and Marion Bradley's Mists of Avalon. I won't say I knew it but definitely a streak of nastiness. I watched and enjoyed series1 of Good Omens, gave up halfway through ep one of series 2 because of the gratuitous nastiness. Same with Gaimans books, kept trying, never got past around page 4.

godmum56 · 16/01/2025 18:35

iloveeverykindofcat · 16/01/2025 16:38

I mean, Gaiman is much more than an unpleasant person, he's an unrepentant rapist. I didn't have much in him as I've only ever read Good Omens, years ago, I thought it was pretty good but didn't make me want to run out and buy his next one, and it didn't leave a huge impression on me. But - when I was in college, I read Midnight's Children, and it absolutely blew my mind. At the time, it was the best book I'd ever read, and I still think Salman Rushdie is quite possibly the best writer alive today. Anyway, a few months later, I co-incidentally had the chance to go to an event at which Salman Rushdie would be. I was in pieces. And I had a neighbour who was a bit older than me and also coincidentally Indian, though I don't know how if that played into her knowledge in anyway. She took me aside and said something like, "I want to say something to you. You are a petite little mixed race girl with light skin. Be careful please. You are exactly his type."

I had absolutely no idea what to make of it. I was a very naive 19 year old.

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Has anything ever come out about Salman Rushdie? I did think that he did well out of the fatwa......

Thebogopogopanpacificgrandprix · 16/01/2025 18:47

godmum56 · 16/01/2025 18:33

Yes this. Same with David Edding's Conan book and Marion Bradley's Mists of Avalon. I won't say I knew it but definitely a streak of nastiness. I watched and enjoyed series1 of Good Omens, gave up halfway through ep one of series 2 because of the gratuitous nastiness. Same with Gaimans books, kept trying, never got past around page 4.

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Gaiman is a good writer but you can tell in his books when he ran out of ideas and muddied fantasy fiction with just plain fantasy.

Notthebeard · 16/01/2025 18:56

I love Neverwhere and Good Omens so I’m just going to separate the books from the author and keep enjoying them. Neverwhere especially is one of my favourite books ever.
What he is accused of is awful. Don’t know how he can look at himself in the mirrors each morning.

godmum56 · 16/01/2025 19:19

Thebogopogopanpacificgrandprix · 16/01/2025 18:47

Gaiman is a good writer but you can tell in his books when he ran out of ideas and muddied fantasy fiction with just plain fantasy.

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I think he must have good writing skills because I found the nastiness so nauseating.

PandoraSox · 16/01/2025 19:26

Iwatched the documentary on Marilyn Manson yesterday. It really struck me how similar his response to allegations of abuse was to Gaiman's recent post.

"Obviously, my art and my life have long been magnets for controversy, but these recent claims about me are horrible distortions of reality. My intimate relationships have always been entirely consensual with like-minded partners. Regardless of how — and why — others are now choosing to misrepresent the past, that is the truth.”

Lalgarh · 16/01/2025 20:47

"a snake 🐍 doesn't apologise for being a snake", was how Manson put it.

The Al Wilson doctrine.

Manson was blatantly upfront about it, like Brand. The horrible thing is watching all that footage of those teenage girls in his fandom bellowing stuff like they want to be abused by him .

They'd be in their 40s now I guess

lilacsatin · 16/01/2025 21:51

iloveeverykindofcat · 16/01/2025 16:38

I mean, Gaiman is much more than an unpleasant person, he's an unrepentant rapist. I didn't have much in him as I've only ever read Good Omens, years ago, I thought it was pretty good but didn't make me want to run out and buy his next one, and it didn't leave a huge impression on me. But - when I was in college, I read Midnight's Children, and it absolutely blew my mind. At the time, it was the best book I'd ever read, and I still think Salman Rushdie is quite possibly the best writer alive today. Anyway, a few months later, I co-incidentally had the chance to go to an event at which Salman Rushdie would be. I was in pieces. And I had a neighbour who was a bit older than me and also coincidentally Indian, though I don't know how if that played into her knowledge in anyway. She took me aside and said something like, "I want to say something to you. You are a petite little mixed race girl with light skin. Be careful please. You are exactly his type."

I had absolutely no idea what to make of it. I was a very naive 19 year old.

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I feel validated! Always felt he was a real creep. I can't read a word he writes.

lolaflores · 16/01/2025 22:08

Oh Marilyn Feckin' Mason.

If I could have a moment with that length of piss, Keith Raniere, NG and probably a few "lovely blokes" I've known in the past. All of them in a row and a big shovel with agood long run up at them; I'd be a very happy woman.

I'd probably ask for one last run by but Id be happy.

Lalgarh · 16/01/2025 22:10

PandoraSox · 16/01/2025 19:26

Iwatched the documentary on Marilyn Manson yesterday. It really struck me how similar his response to allegations of abuse was to Gaiman's recent post.

"Obviously, my art and my life have long been magnets for controversy, but these recent claims about me are horrible distortions of reality. My intimate relationships have always been entirely consensual with like-minded partners. Regardless of how — and why — others are now choosing to misrepresent the past, that is the truth.”

Part 3 now of the Marilyn Manson thing. Audio of him:

"I would never rape you. That's the cruelest thing you can say to a girl in a funny sort of way..."

"I'm not a sexist... A misogynist maybe.... It's like. ... I like tits, but not what they're attached to .."

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