Another baby has been bitten by an xl bully

[Viviennemary]

Just seen on the news a baby is in hospital after being bitten by an xl bully. And two people have been arrested. Baby is in a serious condition. Why haven't these killer dogs been banned.

It's not the breed blah blah blah. Comparing a chihuahua with an XL bully is like comparing a domestic cat with a bloody lion.

"bred for hunting, exhibiting agility and a strong prey drive"

"challenges during training"

right....

Not really

But…shiba inus are well known for being highly reactive, aggressive and strong-willed. If yours isn’t any of these things, then that’s luck rather than design on your part

That poor baby, my god!

French bulldogs are kind of weirdly cute, and I can't image them mauling anything. British bulldogs have such mutated jaws, I'm not sure they'd be capable of mauling anything either, they werent bred for aggression but as a companion breed for the Old English bulldog which was bred for aggression and fighting, but stopped being bred following the ban on bear / bull and dog fighting.

I’d rather be attacked by neither. Obviously an XL bully will do far more damage I’m not disputing that at all.

Although I don't know how we would enforce this, I totally agree. I am a dog trainer, and have dog trainer friends who own, not XL bullies, but other breeds that could potentially do significant damage in the wrong hands. The reason they are not doing significant damage is because they aren't popular, and are only owned by a small number of experienced enthusiasts who are well equipped to deal with them and fully meet their needs. It really does require a significant amount of capability to own these dogs. If these other breeds suddenly were the ones to full the XL bully void, I have no doubt we'd be hearing about them in the news in 10 years time.

We put our large dog ( not bully)behind a gate when the DGC visit, not because of her, but them. They have a small dog at home, they pull her around, dress her up, generally manhandle her. I'm not putting my dog anywhere where, if she reacted to their behaviour towards her, she would be blamed. If we bring her in the room, she is on lead and by my side.
I don't like bully breeds and don't see the attraction of them, but we also need to stop avoiding the issues around the types of owners who have them. 99% you can predict entirely. This needs addressing.

Well that's the reason XL bullies are banned and it's why we don't say that about all dogs. Because of the damage they can and do inflict. Which other breeds of dog do not, or do extremely rarely. Other breeds of dog live alongside humans and it doesn't result in many (or any) fatalities. The same is not true of these dogs, who pose a far greater risk and kill people in unparalleled numbers compared to other breeds.

I knew about Colby and the nephew but I didn’t know the dog went on to kill an adult man.

Those “little ratty looking things” as you put it don’t require an air ambulance and leave a child in ICU where it is touch and go whether the child will make it.

A good start would be some (any?) enforcement of the ban. Only about half of the XLs thought to be in the U.K. are exempted, so that’s 50k dogs that there is an existing legal route to seize and euthanase straight away, but there are no resources allocated to do that. They are still paraded around the streets unmuzzled, or on the park off lead - and not many would challenge the sort of people that often own them. Even enforcing the ban doesn’t go far enough to protect children who are often maimed by the family pet in their own home but it would make the general public safer from attacks. I would support a law that makes the owner as responsible for dog attacks as they would be with any other lethal weapon - charges of GBH or manslaughter if your dog injures/kills someone.

I hope this poor little girl survives this. ❤️

I’ve been bitten by many a frenchie and there’s nothing cute about them. Angry, stinky and prone to dropping dead in my experience.

It's so, so sad. Then you get the 'it's not the breed, it's the owner'. It IS the breed, collies naturally herd, pointers naturally point, retrievers naturally retrieve. Dogs bred to fight and kill, fight and kill. Then you get the 'id rather be near dogs than kids'. Not the same. No one's deathly allergic to kids. I'm sick of dogs everywhere in general to be honest. I'm scared of dogs and have a severely disabled immune compromised foster child too. Who really cannot be near dogs and is blind so the sudden barking scares him too.

I think the Humans that own them should be euthanised too.

To be fair to that dog it’s showing signs that it isn’t happy. The quiet still staring is a massive warning sign. I suspect its tail is still as well. It appears to lean back slightly. The judge has got right into its face and got a measuring tape round its head. He is pretty close up and also wearing a mask which is likely to unsettle the dog as well.

Don't get me wrong - I don’t like XL bullies and would never entertain having one. I think they do show signs they just aren’t as obvious to most people as other breeds are. That makes them a lot more dangerous to the simpletons who own them. Chihuahua’s shoe very obvious signs when they aren’t happy. They are vocal and their body language is obvious. Because of this even the least knowledgeable person about dogs knows they are unhappy and will back away. The XL is so much more subtle and they are silent. But the signs are there if you know what to look for. Sadly most people don’t know what to look for and/or ignore it because it doesn’t seem ‘enough’ to warrant backing away.

I'd never approach a strange animal head on like that. You'd think a judge would know better.

In showing judges touch and handle the dogs allover. It’s expected that they can have heads, teeth etc examined without deciding to attack someone over it.

I just don’t get the people who stick up for this breed.

They don’t seem to have any redeeming qualities. They aren’t attractive looking, they aren’t easy to handle, I’ve heard more than a few vets and trainers say they aren’t very bright.

What’s the point in having a dog like that? My golden retriever is a goofball, who is fun to be around, eager to please, very predictable, gentle and beautiful to look at and generally, an easy animal to have around.

I get why idiot little hard men have them, but why would any family chose one?

We had 3 in the area near where I live. One has just been destroyed as it wasn't registered and the owner hasn't bothered to turn up to court.

I know of another young lad (daughter's friend) who has an unregistered XL who he hides away. I've reported it numerous times and spoken with him.

My neighbour in our cul-de-sac is a breeder and she still has an XL, other neighbours suspect she is still breeding it. It's monstrous, the muscles on the thing is something else.

I live in a middle class area on the outskirts of Chester.

Just Google how many XL breeders have been caught breeding these things. It's frightening and I fear a ban won't stop them

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I think we should ban all unregistered breeders, then license and control all dog breeding.

We've just adopted a dog, when we were looking I was surprised (I'm not sure why) how many back yard breeders there are.

I've had neighbours openly say the puppies funded their kitchen.

The problem is breeds become sought after and then people see the money.

You can see it with all the small breeds as well as the big ones, our dog is tiny and his mum was a breeder dumped because she was ill.

I'm sure his litter was deliberately breed to be small because it's desirable and therefore worth more. Just as XL are need to be big and aggressive.

It's unfair on all these dogs who just end up dumped.