Another baby has been bitten by an xl bully

[Viviennemary]

Just seen on the news a baby is in hospital after being bitten by an xl bully. And two people have been arrested. Baby is in a serious condition. Why haven't these killer dogs been banned.

Honestly I hate the breed. And the brain dead people who own them. I have cockerspaniels and I wouldn't even leave them unsupervised with my children. These people who leave their kids alone with a known dangerous breed should of never had kids to begin with.

We are like the Americans with their love of guns. We love dogs so much we don't care that they kill children. It's absolutely mental.

So she doesn't have any adult responsibility for her children's safety and welfare?

Just to back you up

35 fatal dog attacks in the UK since 2020
18 of them (51%) carried out by XL Bullies/ XL crosses
The other attacks involved 13 different breeds of dog, with American Bulldogs being the next most aggressive, involved in 3 attacks (8.5%)

Unfortunately it's clear these people cannot be trusted to make good decisions for their children's safety so unfortunately they must be culled and banned and banned around dc.
I'm not sure culling parents would be allowed....no matter how tempting!
I generally like dogs, we have a lovely very elderly lab/ springer X. But the xl bully and pit bulls were bred for fighting, it really is in their DNA. You wouldn't want to share your home with a grizzly bear, despite the fact they look soft and cuddly, they are also seriously dangerous, as are fighting dogs.

Regarding the comment about them being ‘two peas in a pod’, it taps into the wider social media trend, which I absolutely hate, of showing young kids manhandling dogs and the poor things just putting up with it. No. your dog isn’t loving interacting with your toddler, nines times out of ten you can clearly see the dog is just about tolerating it - fixed posture, whites of eyes showing, licking lips etc. It actually shows just how much shit a dog is prepared to put up with due to its instinct to please you. Playing silly buggers with an average family dog is still a big risk, but with a dog like an XL bully it’s an accident waiting to happen. Poor baby, and what stupid, stupid owners.

💯 agree.

Yes that was one of our main reasons for choosing a shiba inu, along with suitability to live in a flat. Despite being typically stubborn our son trained him to put certain toys away for him, we were convinced ir wouldn’t work, but turns out our is even more stubborn than the dog. We’re both capable of raising our children, so while some people can’t trust themselves with the most basic of safety measures, we don’t have that issue.

I love dogs and work with dogs but some XL bullies terrify me. I have a large dog (30kg) and I’m expecting my first baby. I love him so much but he will never be left alone with children. If he ever had a neurological event and turned I absolutely could restrain him if needs be. Some of these beast are 85kg!

I love dogs and have always had one. These dogs terrify me, totally unreadable and dead behind the eyes.
It seems that not a week goes by without a death or serious life changing attack by an XL Bully. The laws regarding ownership should be strengthened and properly enforced.
That poor little baby must have been beyond terrified.

I’m very frustrated by people on both side using this sort of thing to claim that breed bans don’t work.

They do work, but with this sort of ban on breeding, the attack rate will only lower once they naturally age and die out, in 8+ years time.

This was probably the most balanced action, as an outright cull would have killed a lot of innocent pets. (I’m willing to accept that many XLs are harmless; the problem is you can’t tell which ones as they were bred to have scarce body language for fighting)

The law needs to be updated to say that XL bullies cannot live with children or other vulnerable people.

Also, the punishments for owning/ being in charge of a dog that bites/ mauls/ kills should be much more severe.

The law needs to include all American Bullies - not just the largest size XL. Being just 1/4 inch smaller than the cut-off size to the next size down in no way changes its characteristics or ability to harm.

It also needs to include any blood sports breed, including Cane Corsos or any bull breed mixture.

I hope the baby girl makes a full recovery

Which would you rather be attacked by, a chihuahua or an XL bully? Which attack would you or a child be more likely to walk away from?

I don't like bitey snappy chihuahuas but they aren't killing people or putting them in hospital so they aren't a problem.

So Staffies? English Bulls? No.

I don't go near any bull breed dogs if I can avoid it.
They look like sharks

Have you ever seen a Boston terrier?

I have now, I just googled it.
Nope... don't like them either.

I can't stand the 'it's the owner not the breed' arguments.

So I have to assume you have also never seen a shark?

Yes I have seen a shark. Don't like them either.
And don't want to be up close with a shark, or a dog that looks like a shark.

Really there should be categorisation of dog breeds, and certain levels of skills/training/space to own each category - if you want a Cane Corso or German Shepherd your house needs to be X big, garden X big and you need to have done X training course etc. I think some American states take this approach to exotics.

I am more in the camp of it’s the owner not the breed (having only ever been seriously injured by a goose owned by a grumpy farmer).

Yes, there’s a genetic predisposition to XLs and the inbreeding is a huge problem. But it’s the social factors as well - that they become a status symbols for a certain cohort within society who aren’t interested in training them and usually (I am generalising here) don’t have the resource for them. Once XL Bullies are solved it will be a different dog, so legislation needs to get proactive or we will be having the same conversation in ten years about another dog.

Absolutely awful what’s happened that poor child but couldn’t we say that about all breeds then? Those little ratty looking things and chihuahuas are absolutely awful for biting and snapping but nothing gets said about how viscous they act because they are small

Fuck me, how many times do we have to go through this for the terminally dim.

CHIHUAHUAS MIGHT BE VICIOUS BUT THEY DON'T KILL PEOPLE.

Is that clear?

But staffies, bull dogs etc don't look like sharks? I can sortve see your point with English bull terriers but that's where your argument ends.

A good example of why they need to be banned, full stop.

I work in a veterinary field (doing lots of work with dangerous dogs) and have spent most of my life working and rehabilitating rescue GSD. I know big dogs, I know the dangers and what dogs are capable of because I’ve seen things go wrong so many times.

XL bullies are a whole different ball game. Unpredictable, unintelligent and give absolutely no warning signals at all. The latter is IMO what makes them so dangerous, you can’t read them therefore can’t predict these attacks. They are bred that way, a fighting dog full of game with no self preservation alongside the element of surprise.

We are euthanising lots of them in my area. Lots who have showed dangerous and downright scary behaviour that luckily hasn’t made the news. The majority are owned by people who have no business owning a dog like this (or criminals) and most of them have 0 funds so dump them at the first sign of a problem. If you look at the groups of people defending them it’s a certain type of person every time…people with a brain cell can see statistically there’s no defence. Only last week we euthanised one that the owner managed to stop attacking his child by the skin of his teeth- again previously a lovely dog with no signs of a problem. He was completely shook up and couldn’t believe it despite all of the news and evidence of how mentally wrong the breed is.

Why anyone needs one of these out of however many hundreds of breeds not bred to tear things up is beyond me. I honestly believe anyone with children and an XL should be forced to euthanise it by social services. Those who are defending them probably haven’t met a horrible one in the flesh but I have and it’s enough to have me seriously considering taking a weapon with me when I’m somewhere like a dog walk or a park because the police can’t defend the us from them (I won’t because I’m not a law breaker but I’ve thought about it!) I wish those who owned them would admit their mistake and do the responsible thing.