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Ukraine Invasion: Part 53

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MagicFox · 05/12/2024 18:14

Welcome to 53 and, as always, Slava Ukraini πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

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DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 10:36

Thanks for hiding the post Mumsnet :/

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 10:41

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

462 vs. 457 billion dollars: Russia’s military budget surpasses the defense spending of all European countries combined – FT
In 2024, Russia allocated 13.1 trillion rubles ($462 billion) for war. This year, spending will rise to 1.56 trillion rubles, making up 40% of the budget.
The total defense budgets of all EU countries, including Britain, reached $457 billion in 2024.

The foreign ministers of Ukraine, France, Britain, Spain, Italy, Poland, Germany, and the EU have stated that Ukraine and Europe must be involved in any negotiations to end Russia’s war against Ukraine.

The UK announces major military aid package for Ukraine at Ramstein meeting
Britain is providing an additional Β£150 million for tanks, artillery, air-to-air missiles, and new contracts to repair critical equipment in Ukraine, Defence Secretary John Healy said.
He also stated that his US counterpart, Pete Hegseth, assured him that the US would remain involved in the Contact Group on Ukraine (Ramstein format).

πŸ‡©πŸ‡ͺ Germany also announced the transfer of about 100 IRIS-T guided missiles to Ukraine after the [Rammstein] meeting.

Germany plans to send 6,000 HX-2 kamikaze drones with artificial intelligence to Ukraine, Bild reports.

The drones are produced by the German company Helsing, which specializes in military technology. According to the company, they can hit Russian artillery, armored vehicles, and command posts.
The HX-2 has a range of up to 100 km and a top speed of 220 km/h. It can resist Russian electronic warfare, find targets in difficult weather, and carry out the final attack stage without operator intervention.
The delivery, estimated at several hundred million euros, is part of a three-billion-euro aid package for Ukraine. However, Chancellor Olaf Scholz is currently blocking it. Helsing remains confident that the new German coalition will approve the deal.
To fulfill the contract, Helsing has launched a new factory in Germany, set to produce 1,000 drones per month.
β€œModern technology can compensate for the enemy’s numerical superiority. NATO must draw the right conclusions from this,” said Helsing CEO Gundbert Scherf.

❗️Putin will die soon, β€” President Zelenskyy in an interview with The Economist.
▫️Zelenskyy knows nothing about US-Russia contacts and learns about them from the press, like everyone else.
▫️Ukraine fears the US and Russia might make a deal without Zelenskyy.
▫️Zelenskyy will soon meet US Vice President J.D. Vance, who once said, β€œI don’t care what happens to Ukraine.”
▫️He still doesn’t fully understand Trump’s team’s true intentions.
β–«οΈβ€œAmerica cannot face Russia alone. Putin will deceive them with manipulative information,” Zelenskyy said.
▫️He is concerned about certain signals from the West and believes Ukraine, as the non-aggressor, is being asked for too much: β€œSitting at the table with the murderer Putin is already a big compromise.”
▫️The problem seems to be that the US and Europe either cannot or do not want to take on the responsibilities Zelenskyy expects.

❗️”I don’t see anything wrong with engaging in dialogue with Russia without Zelenskyy,” Trump said.

If NATO’s doors remain closed, Ukraine must build its own Allianceβ€”Zelenskyy in The Economist
Zelenskyy said Ukraine’s NATO membership is unlikely due to the positions of the US, Germany, and Hungary. However, Hungary might change its stance under pressure from President Donald Trump.
β€œNobody gives up. But if the doors remain closed, Ukraine must build NATO on its own territory by strengthening its army. We need to double it to match Russia’s. President Trump can provide security guarantees, and Europe could help with funding. We need missiles, long-range missiles, and Patriots,” he said.
When asked if Ukraine has a β€œPlan B,” Zelenskyy replied, β€œThis is the β€˜Plan B.’”

Putin speaks with Syria’s new leader, Ahmed al-Sharaa, for the first time
Putin spoke about the β€œhistorical connection, friendship, and cooperation” between Russia and Syria, the Kremlin reported.
Meanwhile, the Syrian government is demanding compensation from Russia for the damage caused by decades of war against Bashar al-Assad’s regime, which Moscow supported.
Publicly, Russia refuses to pay, but according to Russian media, the Kremlin is privately considering the demands to maintain its naval bases in Syria.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 10:48

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

The Pentagon chief rejected calls to place US boots on the ground in Ukraine when asked if he would consider the option to "track weapons shipments."
www.kyivpost.com/post/47016

The new US administration conceded to Russia on Ukraine even before peace talks began β€” German Defense Minister Pistorius
He stressed that NATO membership and territorial issues should be discussed at the table, not erased beforehand.

Trump’s envoy Keith Kellogg to visit Ukraine from February 13 to 22.
He will first attend the Munich Security Conference before traveling to NATO and EU headquarters in Brussels.

Ukrainian F-16s aren’t just defending the skies β€” new footage shows Vipers loaded with precision-guided bombs, proving their role in ground-attack missions too.
www.kyivpost.com/post/46981

Ex-President of Ukraine Poroshenko has been hit with lifetime sanctions and total asset seizure as Zelensky imposes sweeping, permanent measures targeting him and other oligarchs.
www.kyivpost.com/post/47037

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 10:51

... Okay.

Mumsnet deleted the Kyiv Independent Roundup post.

This is the reply from Mumsnet I got.

Hi there,
Thanks for getting in touch. We have checked and in fact deleted your post altogether because it was really just a wall of cut and paste links rather than a considered contribution to the discussion.
Best,
Hope
MNHQ

Igotjelly · 13/02/2025 10:56

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 10:51

... Okay.

Mumsnet deleted the Kyiv Independent Roundup post.

This is the reply from Mumsnet I got.

Hi there,
Thanks for getting in touch. We have checked and in fact deleted your post altogether because it was really just a wall of cut and paste links rather than a considered contribution to the discussion.
Best,
Hope
MNHQ

Well that’s a loads of shit from Mumsnet HQ, it’s what we have every day and folk look for and find useful. Poor show!

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 10:58

I need to know that this position of theirs will be reversed before I do any more, sorry.

Igotjelly · 13/02/2025 11:01

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 10:58

I need to know that this position of theirs will be reversed before I do any more, sorry.

I think that’s totally fair. Sorry your hard work was wasted today.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 11:02

There's so much happening today too. Such vital decisions being made in the US.

MagicFox · 13/02/2025 11:11

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 10:57

Have done but accidentally under a username from my daughter's my little pony obsession πŸ˜‚πŸ¦„

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DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 11:11

LOL!

PiggyPigalle · 13/02/2025 11:57

My house yesterday afternoon and evening was like someone had died here.
There was no television or radio on at all, I needed to seek out similar thoughts to my own, which included the Ukrainian papers, although their news isn't instant.
Next morning, at least the British press have taken advice from security advisers as to how serious this is, but MNHQ have gone backwards! They've blocked the Kyiv Independent round up.
Has Trump taken over Mumsnet Towers as well now?

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 12:09

If I understand this situation aright, Trump is dealing directly with Putin, excluding Ukraine and the EU, while saying NATO is off the table, US boots in Ukraine are off the table, and forcing Ukraine to sign a mineral rights deal worth 500 billion in order to recoupe the US costs in Ukraine, which were in the order of what, 47 billion?

Struggling here too. Can't believe what's happening. I mean, it isn't a surprise but it is shocking.

MagicFox · 13/02/2025 12:19

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 12:09

If I understand this situation aright, Trump is dealing directly with Putin, excluding Ukraine and the EU, while saying NATO is off the table, US boots in Ukraine are off the table, and forcing Ukraine to sign a mineral rights deal worth 500 billion in order to recoupe the US costs in Ukraine, which were in the order of what, 47 billion?

Struggling here too. Can't believe what's happening. I mean, it isn't a surprise but it is shocking.

Yes that's exactly what the situation is

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MagicFox · 13/02/2025 12:20

Or at least that's what we are hearing. Holding out hope that maybe something else is going on behind the scenes. Can only hope now

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Natsku · 13/02/2025 12:23

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 10:58

I need to know that this position of theirs will be reversed before I do any more, sorry.

Completely understandable, a lot of effort to put in if it's just going to get deleted

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 13/02/2025 13:01

▫️Ukraine fears the US and Russia might make a deal without Zelenskyy.

Then it's not a deal. And trump becomes complicit with putin. (Refuses to use capital letters for names of non humans)

MissConductUS · 13/02/2025 13:21

MNHQ has just said on your other thread that they are reversing their decision to delete the roundup post.

Well done, team Ukraine thread!

Igotjelly · 13/02/2025 13:22

The terrible scenes in Munich seem to be further securing the far right’s rise in Germany.

JoMumsnet · 13/02/2025 13:26

Hi @DucklingSwimmingInstructress just wanted to apologise for any stress caused here. We've just posted on your thread in Site Stuff confirming that we've reinstated your post by now. We appreciate that you put a lot of time and energy into compiling these round-ups and you're very welcome to continue posting them.

Sorry again for any confusion caused.

Igotjelly · 13/02/2025 13:31

James Waterhouse on BBC News at One says the sense of betrayal in Ukraine is palpable but that they’re also seeing public opinion turning against Zelenskyy over the recent call up for younger men. I haven’t seen him looking so tired and drawn since the early days of the invasion.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/02/2025 13:35

Just one problem: as far as I can tell, the post at the bottom of the prevoious page has NOT been reinstated yet, it still says "This reply has been hidden until the MNHQ team can have a look at it."

Well? You've looked. Now unhide?

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 13:42

Ooh good point -I've just asked them to Unhide it on the site thread ... hadn't realised they'd not restored it fully!

I'll post the Live:Ukraine stuff when I'm home.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/02/2025 13:44

@Igotjelly was thinking he looked grimmer and also harder than ever before. I rather wonder if the last three years have created a man who might in the future be feared, as well as admired. If he doesn't just retire permanently.

Llttledrummergirl · 13/02/2025 13:57

I've just reported @JoMumsnet post above with a request to unhide it.

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