Scottish people- how is phonics taught in Scotland?

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Following on from the shaun the sheep thread.
In England, we used to use Letters and Sounds and now schoold use a variety of different schemes. All have standard pronunciation of phonemes as part of the scheme. Letters and sounds had adjustments for regional variations like flat vowels. Bath, grass etc

I am really interested in learning how it taught in Scotland. Do you have different schemes to England? Are the phonemes different to allow for rhoticity?

I'm Irish rather than Scottish but yes our DC learn phonics. I think it's easier when you sound the R.

Our school teaches letters in groups starting with s a t p I n d so that the children can blend the sounds together to make short words. Then more letters are added.
Rhoticity isn't really an issue because we pronounce every sound.
I found it very difficult trying to teach phonics (years ago) in England - teaching them that the word is spelled c-ar-t but pronounced caht IYSWIM

Is it different to standard 'english' phonics though?

so..i was thinking-one of the things we do is teach rhyming words that have the same sounds...like born, corn, morn...and shaun!
how would that be done when in rhotic accents they all sound different apparently?

yes we do groups here too-also starting with satpin

i can't " hear" in my head , what you mean about cart

so..i was thinking-one of the things we do is teach rhyming words that have the same sounds...like born, corn, morn...and shaun!
how would that be done when in rhotic accents they all sound different apparently?

You’d just leave Shaun out of that list. (I’m Irish.)

Our kids used letterland...we are in Ireland. R was Robber Red. I think some of the naughty characters were replaced.

How? (in Scotland, that sometimes means why?) Are you planning to move to Scotland to teach and need to know how we teach children how to sound out words?

My children used Jolly Phonics. We’re in Ireland. There was a recording of English children doing the sounds to go with the books. Some of them (er, ar and so on) were just ignored and the local pronunciation used instead.

We teach only one oo sound in Scotland. BOOK and MOON have the same middle sound.

no i am just interested

How are* phonics taught in Scotland you mean

that's really interesting!
i guess that makes it a bit easier-no having to say 'sometimes it makes that sound but not always!'
it is a crazy language to learn to read

@Bigearringsbigsmile an English person will pronounce cart as caht (no r sound) whereas a Scottish one will pronounce it exactly as it's written, with the r sound

sure-thanks for correcting🙂

Basically OP, the children are taught phonics but use the sounds of the local accent. They aren’t taught to pronounce things as an English person would pronounce them. Lots of the sounds are the same or nearly the same anyway. Big difference in er, ar though.

I had a very unique experience of learning phonics in England, and mid-way through, moved to Ireland. They used the same resources but would tell us the English pronunciation was incorrect, and taught us the local pronunciation- confusing to me aged 4-5!

Also as well as sh ch and th, wh is taught as it's pronounced as we say whisper not wisper, whale, not wale etc

Well, I don't know anybody that isn't a Scot who can say Loch correctly 😅. It isn't Lock. It isn't Lake. We Scots learn how to sound out words from our parents/grandparents (including rhotic R). Then we learn words from sounds at school. People in other countries learn in their own way, and that's fine.

When we got to the bit in the scheme that said "sort the words into long and short oo sounds" we used to tell them to ignore that bit!

Oh yes, forgot about the wh thing.
Wine/whine, witch/which etc sound different in Ireland too. You can tell them apart. I think they’ve merged in a lot of English accents.

ive just been googling to try and find an example and found a woman with an north lanarkshire accent saying' cart'. The difference i could hear was with vowel sound .

i find alll this so interesting

We often found children who came up from England struggled with spelling as they wrote words as they said them.

A child once wrote "heeow" - I was totally stumped until I realised it was "hill" in a South London accent.

can you hear the h before the w?

Yes, only slightly, but it makes the words sound very different to each other.

If you said why you were interested as this is a bit of a niche topic, I'm sure you'd find people able to help a bit more