Scottish people- how is phonics taught in Scotland?

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Following on from the shaun the sheep thread.
In England, we used to use Letters and Sounds and now schoold use a variety of different schemes. All have standard pronunciation of phonemes as part of the scheme. Letters and sounds had adjustments for regional variations like flat vowels. Bath, grass etc

I am really interested in learning how it taught in Scotland. Do you have different schemes to England? Are the phonemes different to allow for rhoticity?

Can I deviate to the pronunciation of the letter name for H?

All you hatch-ers please note - no H-sound at the beginning of ‘H’ 😄

From my thesis on H (pool of research = my English and Scottish pals), ‘haitch’ is much more an English thing.

‘appy to be corrected 😆

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-11642588.amp

I didn't realise that about Gaelic.

I think the way english people speak sounds really lazy

Lazy - or do you mean different?

You can be corrected then. It's haitch in Ireland, and we're usually corrected by English rather than Scottish posters on here who find haitch both wrong and frightfully common.

The boring answer is that both are correct, but that doesn't satisfy some.

Yes, there are Irish immersion schools in Ireland too, though the majority of schools here are English medium. Best way to learn the language.

It’s tricky. The ll sound in a very strong London accent is pronounced like the start of w. Say wash but stop before you get to the a.

If you listened to a millwall supporter say Millwall the w and ll sounds are pretty much the same.

Here is an example of a London accent and the ll sound.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RV4aeooP_PQ

(no idea who this bloke is but he came up when I was looking for examples of people saying millwall.

Oh god I'm even more confused now on how words should be pronounced. Have lived in the UK for over 20 years ( originally from New Zealand ) and still can't get it it right depending on who I am talking to. There are so many accent variations!

ON the other hand I had someone ask if my good friend Stephanie minded that I called her Stiff..... I still try not to ask for anything with 'egg' in it.

Had a Australian friend (with a strong rural Aussie accent) in NZ who was teaching phonics to Kiwi kids - she said she felt so sorry for them😂

How do you pronounce "Cool Whip"?

Kooool Wh ip. (not wip)

Stephanie would be Steff not Stiff (eh as in egg not igg)

Cool whip would be pronouncedexactly as it's written as a PP said not wip.

I love that spelling of hill.

Honestly, English English massacres so many sounds! If you or your child want to learn other languages then it's so helpful to have a Scots or Gaelic or Scottish English base. French, German, Arabic, for starters, they all roll the r's and use the soft or harsh gutturals that English English doesn't.

Like many Scots, I often code switch subconsciously. My friends in the south used 'girls with curls' as their test/tease phrase.
In Scottish English, girrrillss with kirrrillss.
In English, more like gehls with kehls. (wtaf mangling is that?!)

Don't get me started on 'iron', which is of course pronounced irrron, but English English seems to think is iorn or even ion 🤷‍♀️

@GirlOfThe70s So glad my friends didn't pick that one! Kirrrilliy Wirrrilliy :)

I'm Scottish but live in London and used to do regular after school childcare for a friend's kids.

Their teacher asked me to go to the parents phonic workshop with no 2 as I'd made such a hash of it and confused no. 1.

No. 2 (aged about 4) also expressed huge surprise one day that I could read and write in English. She thought I only spoke Scottish!!!

Ha, when I see scarf and giraffe 🦒

There's another book DD1 loves where it tries to rhyme sure and four and every time I have to do this faux English accent to make it work

My 5 year old was telling my husband earlier how they are not the same and why they have different colour letters in her phonics book. (He says some things in a northern accent. We are in the south!)

I'm Scottish and try to emphasise the wh sound in words like whale to my (English) class to help them spell. I often think being Scottish must make spelling much easier. I also translate words into their accent sometimes. They often mix up 'our' and 'are' which are two very different words to me. My northern u impression is excellent (if I say the sound u in my accent they get very confused and at best write an o). Sometimes the children just think I don't know how to say a word properly and correct me 😂

I believe in Scotland, or the west at least, a word like chair is taught as ch ai r (as in digraphs ch and ai followed by r) whereas in England it is the digraph ch and trigraph air. The ai sound like in tail is not in the English pronunciation of the word.

I'm English and can't figure out how sure and four can rhyme.
Shore rhymes with four and sure rhymes with fur. But I don't think I've heard an accent in which sure and four can rhyme 🤔

I'm not Scottish and I can say Loch correctly. I am Welsh (not Welsh speaking but learnt it at school for years) and have rusty degree level German so can pronounce ch in more than one way. I suspect many Welsh and German people can pronounce Loch.

Shoo-er and fou-er. I'm ot sure if that explains it as I can't think of exactly how to write it.

Shore are sure sound the same in my current accent

I can't place sure rhyming with fur though!

Oh yes iorn and iorning gets my goat 🤣

I once taught a wee boy called Luke Wright. I remarked that I found this name hilarious as in "Look right" before you cross the road as Luke and look are the same to me.
The other teachers didn't get it.

Maybe consider teaching children shorthand dipthongs sounds that teach how to hear and write sounds😅 I'm a Pitman New Era shorthand writer so have an ear for language sounds. English don't pronounce rhotic R. You "believe in Scotland" but you are Scots. Ok. Our and are would, as you know be pronounced "hour" (silent aitch) our. Are would be "Rrrr"

Ah, so the fou bit of four is sounded like you or the end of kung-fu!
This thread makes me wish Mumsnet did voice notes 😂

No but they all seem to be able to say Bach as in the composer which is the same as Loch