Scottish people- how is phonics taught in Scotland?

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Following on from the shaun the sheep thread.
In England, we used to use Letters and Sounds and now schoold use a variety of different schemes. All have standard pronunciation of phonemes as part of the scheme. Letters and sounds had adjustments for regional variations like flat vowels. Bath, grass etc

I am really interested in learning how it taught in Scotland. Do you have different schemes to England? Are the phonemes different to allow for rhoticity?

The North isn't one entity! I'm from NE England and book and fuck have a totally different sound - long oo and short 'uh'. B-oo-k and f-u-ck. And my friend who was brought up in central Scotland doesn't say 'world' and 'girl' with two syllables, it's more like 'wuld' and girl is 'gull'.

This is a good explanation. I'm an east Londoner and the L sound at the the end of words in particular often becomes a W sound. In hill, the i sound would sometimes elongate into a sort of drawn out eeoo but that's quite pronounced (my dad had a fairly strong cockney accent but wouldn't really do this.... but it could be more of a south London thing).

They are to me too- all have the oo making an u sound.
But moon and spoon are different

I’m Irish and sure and four/shore don’t rhyme for me and I say sure two different ways as outlined upthread. There’s always one!😁

I'm from the north west, but my mother was from the east and my farther Welsh so I've probably got a bit of a mix eg I use long a vowels in words like castle and bath.

Fur and Sir do rhyme in my accent, sure and sir are distinct.

What makes sure and shore different in my accent is the vowel sounds in the middle, in sure it's in the middle front of my mouth near the teeth and in shore it sort of widens the cheeks.

Not sure if that's helpful or just adding to the confusion 😂

Not my neck of the woods but classic Geordie - sure and four = "shoo-a" and "fore". Definitely don't rhyme!

No. In central Scotland, we say worrrrld and girrrrl.

Like this…

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sure

Oh same!

I struggled with them being told that -or and -aw are the same sound and the two different "oo" sounds

A-ha! Thank you, I knew I'd not thought through enough accents!

I did see your post after I'd posted mine, and can now hear your two pronunciations of sure in my head 😁

Waves. Sure and four rhyme for me.

NE Scotland and I'd say world as wurrild and girl as girell

Shure and fore

I used Letterland as a Scottish child of the 90s.

X was kissing cousins 🤣

I thought K was kicking cousins (my children were educated in Scotland in 1990s)?

Actually I think, on reflection, K was Kicking King so you might be right about X - my children, now in their 30s, will know 😅

For me K was Kicking King. And X was deffo Kissing Cousins 😆

Not true across the board. I use Read Write Inc and there is a long oo and a short oo

I still use letterland if I'm spelling out a word...Annie apple, Bouncy Ben, Zigzag zebra. I had 3 nineties kids!
My youngest refused to pronounce y like yellow yoyo. Her teacher was called Lily Lynch.

What about FOOT?

Yep, my ex who is not Scottish used to tell me I could not speak properly because I said moon wrong. It’s a joke in our house that we go around saying moooooooon and spooooooon now.

Well, not everyone does! I know what what my friend says. Just like I know not everyone in 'the north' pronounces words the same way. In one post you say 'us northerners', then 'in central Scotland we say...' so I'm not sure as to where you're actually from tbh!

Foot and book are the same sound I think

All oo sounds are the same in my accent.