Chris Evans after Gregg Wallace - too big to fail?

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4839335/chris-evans-sexual-harassment-bbc-flash/

Should we be looking again at Chris Evans since the quite right disgrace of Wllace?
Switched on virgin radio and Chris had apiece about the North East and Hadrians wall on his allegedly topical breakfast show. Someone definitely keeping his head down.

I agree with Gregg taking a step back but is fine for Chris Evans to address behaviour in the past or is he too big to fail?

Unlike her relationship with her second ex, Laurence Fox

I know which of the two I'd prefer and clearly so does she

I vote we put on our fingerless gloves rub some dirt on our faces and bring back the stocks we obviously have enough people just on Mumsnet looking for fresh blood each week...I mean we haven't given GW a week yet!

Yes I hated the lad culture of the 90s but I don't want to dredge up all this stuff again it really is tiresome now.

I remember that, unfortunately it wasn’t just audio, they showed her thighs as she sat down, they then zoomed in on her on the showroom floor just to hammer home her embarrassment. I remember feeling so sorry for her and was absolutely disgusted at what Chris did.

Errr, what?

ETA if only there were just one man a week being creepy, offensive, overly sexual at work

The 90s weren't the 70s, things had already moved on by then (but obviously not!). The same now, this crap is still happening.

This is an extract from an Ofsted report on peer on peer abuse in schools (and this can include Primary) conducted in 2021

'On our visits, girls told us that sexual harassment and online sexual abuse, such as being sent unsolicited explicit sexual material and being pressured to send nude pictures (‘nudes’), are much more prevalent than adults realise. For example, nearly 90% of girls, and nearly 50% of boys, said being sent explicit pictures or videos of things they did not want to see happens a lot or sometimes to them or their peers. Children and young people told us that sexual harassment occurs so frequently that it has become ‘commonplace’. For example, 92% of girls, and 74% of boys, said sexist name-calling happens a lot or sometimes to them or their peers. The frequency of these harmful sexual behaviours means that some children and young people consider them normal'

The whole of the report makes depressing reading.

Mmm .. but when Caroline Flack was hounded , after her tragic death people, quite rightly, regretted the trial by social media. I think we need to be so careful

I did some things I wasn't proud of in the past. I certainly behaved badly in some situations. I'm female.

I've moved on and wouldn't do those things now and can look back and have regrets and with hindsight I might have done some things differently but I can't change the past.

Surely the same can be said of many people. Chris Evans is not the person he was when he was younger and lives his life very differently now. He can't change the past.

Ugh. I can't unsee their bare arses now.

The strange thing is that BBC let some of these things (the "pranks") go to air. That's very gross, it's the higher paid talent punching down at the crew. I've worked in low-level mostly student jobs where we had a "grandma rule." If you wouldn't say it in front of a grandma, don't say it at work. This put a stop to most conversations about sex/when people lost their virginity, family drama, violence in video games/films/online. All of that.

However, in higher paying "better" jobs a lot of that kind of bad behavior was tolerated. I think because they wanted to seem like they value self-expression. But honestly, every company should IMO consider the "grandma rule." It would save them a lot of grief in the long term. Not every topic of conversation is appropriate for a workplace.

Many companies treat working class people like they must be stupid and threatening. Working at a talent agency, a bank etc I honestly had to deal with more off-color remarks than I did as a cashier or security desk officer.

The strange thing is that BBC let some of these things (the "pranks") go to air.

Not sure which pranks? But TFI Friday and DFYT were on Channel 4 not the Beeb.

You may have meant radio though.

Yes I hated the lad culture of the 90s but I don't want to dredge up all this stuff again it really is tiresome now

There was also a ladette culture which I really disliked as I witnessed dreadful behaviour to men. I did speak up at the time but it was deemed uncool.

Two wrongs don't make it right as it was negative behaviour, where those who had power felt entitled to harass or belittle. I recall a young man who had his trousers pulled down to his ankles and later the more senior woman joked about it.
It affected more women as there were more men in the workplace who held power positions however women mimicked this behaviour to fit in with the culture.

Christ almighty! Really? Not the men? I've never liked Chris Evans. Too big for his boots. He's not exactly what you'd call good looking but he acts as if he's God's gift to women.

Giles Coren next please.

He was a bully in plain sight in the 1990s
It was well known that he wandered about naked.
He fecked off the Virgin for the cash didn't he?

A comedian on a podcast a few years ago talked about how Evans would just whip his cock out in a room full of people. He is another disgusting pervert that came up through the BBC. GW covered his with a sock but CE didn’t even bother with the sock.

There was also a ladette culture which I really disliked as I witnessed dreadful behaviour to men. I did speak up at the time but it was deemed uncool.
Two wrongs don't make it right as it was

Yes equally you could pull up another well known female DJ and tv presenter who was a figure head of the ladette culture but no one mentions her.

Zoe Ball? Someone else?

We don’t all have the same experiences - different ages, backgrounds etc - so if you have someone in mind, easier to say who and what she did.

Isn't ZB the one who went to treatment for addiction? I feel she did some mea culpas for her behavior.

Also, I want to be clear it's never okay for anyone to pull anyone's pants down or things like that. But I do feel men are likelier to be aggressive in that way. If I ever had tried that with a male co-worker, for example, he could just swat me away if he saw me coming. I'm petite.

This thing of GW where it sounds like he's grinding on people/thrusting his crotch at them - that's disgusting. There's no reason someone with authority on any set (AD or director) couldn't tell him to knock it off and focus. I worked in LA, as an extra when I first moved there as a side job, and later as like a talent manager/talent agency worker. People can and do tell talent to knock it off and focus. But sets are hierarchical. The director and producers have to care enough to do that.

I worked with a 19 y/o who met Graham Norton in a hotel back in the early 2000s.

I think you have to assume lots of people were acting inappropriately in hospitality and TV. There's inappropriate stupid behaviour and there's harassment. I don't have a problem with someone speaking up about what an idiot they were and apologising. The fact they don't makes you think they are hiding more worse things.

@WalterdelaMare get a grip! It's not cancel culture. It's holding men to account for their actions.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1402749/specialist-sex-cop-team-take-control-of-chris-evans-case-over-alleged-sexual-assault/

It just seems to me that the woman in question here wasn't a fantasist but her colleagues may not have wanted to back her for fear of losing careers. I just wonder how much this was a feature of the 90s and now we look at GW and see how times have changed with women becoming increasingly beleived. There are probably many like CE who are quite worried at this time but I guess time has erased the interest. It's like you have a statute of limitations with such things.

Greg Wallace is hardly contrite though for previous bad behaviour just sorry for getting caught

CE absolutely did some incredibly questionable stuff in the 90s, he surrounded himself with some sycophants who enabled him. So if he’s going to be judged on things that happened 20 years ago (and I’m not saying he shouldn’t) then he’s in trouble. It does sound likes he’s really different now so that might be enough for people to think he’s now an okay person. Who knows?

Isn't that how justice works there is no time to it? I do take the point that if your a reformed character in the public eyes then there shouldn't be an over focus on the past but doesn't that leave an iffy precedent?

What's going on with Russell Brand please?