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Chris Evans after Gregg Wallace - too big to fail?

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mids2019 · 03/12/2024 06:50

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4839335/chris-evans-sexual-harassment-bbc-flash/

Should we be looking again at Chris Evans since the quite right disgrace of Wllace?
Switched on virgin radio and Chris had apiece about the North East and Hadrians wall on his allegedly topical breakfast show. Someone definitely keeping his head down.

I agree with Gregg taking a step back but is fine for Chris Evans to address behaviour in the past or is he too big to fail?

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StMarie4me · 03/12/2024 10:32

Why are you obsessed with trying to ruin CE? Look what's just happened to Sean Wilson. Life ruined by rumour. Just stop it.

Crossingabsolutelyeverything · 03/12/2024 10:39

Chamomileteaplease · 03/12/2024 10:28

I have never forgotten how he REALLY embarrassed one of his female co-presenters on Radio 1(?) many years ago. Even then I died for her. Massive bully. I hope he really has grown up 😔.

Could you give us some hints?

Sidebeforeself · 03/12/2024 10:46

Ellerby83 · 03/12/2024 08:34

That's awful

Yeah but he didn’t do it on his own did he?! You never hear about production crew being culpable too in situations like that

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WalterdelaMare · 03/12/2024 11:00

I really like Chris Evans. He was an immense and innovative talent 30 years ago and arrogant with it.

He’s completely different now. He’s seems to be very happily married and into health and psychology. His interview yesterday with Swami Chidananda was typical of the sort of things he’s into and it was really fascinating.

Greg Wallace is finished! Right, who’s next? I sat next to Bradley Walsh at a charity lunch a few years back. He told me a fruity anecdote. Maybe I should complain about him? What about Graham Norton? Surely there’s some dirt on him.

This cancel culture is utterly tiresome.

mids2019 · 03/12/2024 11:01

I was posting links from historical media where there are allegations of a serious nature. Are we saying the woman that allegedly had her breasts touched was trying to ruin someone by reporting it?

Isn't this an attempt to shut women victims up? It looks like Gregg has ended his career due to comments that may have been less serious.

I just feel CE has been lucky that a lot of the accusations occured in an era that was slightly more accomodating unfortunately.

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mids2019 · 03/12/2024 11:03

I think CE has embarked on a redemptive arc in his career with clean living and charity work. I think this is fine but I think it should be recognised as it is. He sailed awfully close to the rocks career wise and he probably is looking askance at Gregg and Russell Brand with a sense of relief.

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ToothHurtyAppointment · 03/12/2024 11:04

I used to live in a Suffolk coastal town. One day when I was 17 (but looked about 13/14), Chris Evans gave me a PR postcard with his face on, with his mobile number on the back, while passing me in the street. I didn’t even know who he was at the time. Gross.

FelixtheAardvark · 03/12/2024 11:06

Wondered what had happened to him.
Didn't know he was still broadcasting.

mids2019 · 03/12/2024 11:08

Virgin radio....cleaner than clean.

Obviously not commenting on Gregg what so ever wisely.

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Lincoln24 · 03/12/2024 11:09

Evans was a sleaze back in the day but that was the lads' mags era when that behaviour was widely encouraged and celebrated. I'd be interested to know if there are more recent allegations or whether he really has grown up and cleaned up his act.

AnotherNameChange1234567 · 03/12/2024 11:13

Soontobe60 · 03/12/2024 08:34

Evans is a sleaze bag, no doubt. Years ago, when he hosted the TFI Friday show on TV, he would play ‘pranks’ on members of his production crew then play them back on air. One week, the ‘prank’ was to secretly record (audio only) a female crew member going to the toilet. He then played the clip back live on air much to everyone’s delight. They all thought it was hilarious! Imagine doing that now - it’d be a scandal.

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I remember this episode, but slightly differently. I recall it as being the female production manager(?) who had the idea about filming people going to the toilet and then playing it on the show if there were any farts or amusing noises.

The tables were then turned when Evans instead arranged for her to be secretly filmed getting her arse out and emitting a trump as she sat down - I think I remember seeing her bum when she sat down.

I remember thinking that none of it should have been on TV but I remember it as being her thinking it was an acceptable thing to do for entertainment until it was actually done to her.

rewilded · 03/12/2024 11:13

It feels like it is becoming a bit of a witch hunt at this point. I mean I have never found CE that entertaining but the 90s were pretty much like this - shall we just cancel the 90s and be done with it?

I agree if he behaved the same in 2024 that would be an issue but he doesn't.

Foxblue · 03/12/2024 11:18

I know him and Billie Piper have a good relationship now, and for her sake I'm actually grateful for that in a way - just because facing the reality that you were groomed must be a horrific prospect - but the fact of the matter is that any decent man of 35 would be horrified at the idea of dating and marrying a 17 year old, and he wasn't.

Sidebeforeself · 03/12/2024 11:20

@FoxblueHas Billy Piper said she was groomed?

I am not defending people who have done something wrong but I do feel as a PP said , we are entering witchunt territory

Lincoln24 · 03/12/2024 11:23

rewilded · 03/12/2024 11:13

It feels like it is becoming a bit of a witch hunt at this point. I mean I have never found CE that entertaining but the 90s were pretty much like this - shall we just cancel the 90s and be done with it?

I agree if he behaved the same in 2024 that would be an issue but he doesn't.

I agree with this, you could cancel 90% of famous men from that era of you held them to today's standards. People are talking like it happened yesterday but it was 30 years ago and society has moved on a lot.

Foxblue · 03/12/2024 11:28

Sidebeforeself · 03/12/2024 11:20

@FoxblueHas Billy Piper said she was groomed?

I am not defending people who have done something wrong but I do feel as a PP said , we are entering witchunt territory

She has not, and i do recognise your point here. He was an older man who was senior to her in the industry that she worked, two power imbalances right off the bat there, which is why I'm using the term groomed.

Smokesandeats · 03/12/2024 11:35

Chamomileteaplease · 03/12/2024 10:28

I have never forgotten how he REALLY embarrassed one of his female co-presenters on Radio 1(?) many years ago. Even then I died for her. Massive bully. I hope he really has grown up 😔.

I remember that too! I never listened to him or watched him on TV after that because I found it so upsetting and cruel. He’s a disgrace even if he has cleaned up his act since then.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/12/2024 11:41

Society certainly has moved on, and thank goodness for that. I remember this sleazy incident (from Wikipedia). Andrew Sachs was 78 at the time. Brand was 33 and Ross was 48. I was astounded at thei time that people made excuses for Brand and Ross and said it wasn't that bad, all a storm in a teacup, etc etc. It was abysmal behaviour and should never have been broadcast.

In an episode of The Russell Brand Show broadcast on BBC Radio 2 on 18 October 2008, the comedian Russell Brand and the presenter Jonathan Ross made prank calls to the actor Andrew Sachs that created controversy in the United Kingdom. Brand and Ross called Sachs to interview him on air; when he did not answer, they left lewd messages on his answering machine, including comments about Brand's relationship with Sachs' granddaughter Georgina Baillie.

The episode was prerecorded due to Brand's work commitments.[4] After being unable to reach Sachs on his home telephone, Brand and his co-host that week, the Radio 2 DJ Jonathan Ross, left Sachs four voice messages on his answering machine. In the first message, Brand joked about Fawlty Towers and the fact that both he and Sachs had appeared in The Bill, but was interrupted by Ross shouting out "he fucked your granddaughter". The rest of the message and the following three messages were all characterised by Brand and Ross attempting to apologise for Ross' outburst, but each quickly descended into farce; for example, Brand sang to Sachs: "It was consensual and she wasn't menstrual", and Ross asked to marry him.[4] Brand later said that listening to the calls was like hearing "two idiots dancing towards a canyon"

FloofPaws · 03/12/2024 11:42

WalterdelaMare · 03/12/2024 11:00

I really like Chris Evans. He was an immense and innovative talent 30 years ago and arrogant with it.

He’s completely different now. He’s seems to be very happily married and into health and psychology. His interview yesterday with Swami Chidananda was typical of the sort of things he’s into and it was really fascinating.

Greg Wallace is finished! Right, who’s next? I sat next to Bradley Walsh at a charity lunch a few years back. He told me a fruity anecdote. Maybe I should complain about him? What about Graham Norton? Surely there’s some dirt on him.

This cancel culture is utterly tiresome.

Glad he's changed his ways, I actively avoid watching or listening to him, so wouldn't know this.
However, it's ok to call people out for their bullying, sexual assault, paedophilia, , or anything else, particular where there's someone who had a more powerful position - whomever they are, they're accountable for their behaviour and should be called out, not ignored
NB the last paragraph is general, about anyone.... I'm not implying CE has done all of the above,

BobbyBiscuits · 03/12/2024 11:45

I don't know why but I can't fucking stand him. He's apparently very difficult to work with and yep, a pervy git. But he's calmed down a bit recently I think. He's got kids now and he doesn't seem to be doing much if any telly anymore.

crumblingschools · 03/12/2024 11:54

So do we disregard any male bad behaviour in the 90s? Do we say it is fine? Or at the very least can we discuss that that behaviour should not be happening now, and we know it is still happening, maybe not by the same people but it is still happening, and being excused as banter, laddish behaviour etc

SheilaFentiman · 03/12/2024 12:18

StMarie4me · 03/12/2024 10:32

Why are you obsessed with trying to ruin CE? Look what's just happened to Sean Wilson. Life ruined by rumour. Just stop it.

I mean… some of the stuff happened on camera/air…

He was a twat who crossed a lot of boundaries (sometimes innuendo, sometimes other unprofessional stuff like being drunk or late to shows). Matt Le Blanc said in June 2016 he would pull out of Top Gear if CE wasn’t fired and CE left in July.

I don’t know if he has ever expressed regret or if he has generally shaped up since 2019.

Re the co-presenter mentioned by PP:

The audience grew as the breakfast format became more outrageous: humiliating assistant Holly Samos by repeatedly asking her about her sex life (Evans and Samos were reportedly in a relationship at periods through their time working together), and encouraging two female guests to perform a strip show on live radio

SharpOpalNewt · 03/12/2024 12:30

I used to absolutely hate Chris Evans' antics on TFI Friday at the time and I was all of 20 myself then and everyone else thought he was great. I thought he was really creepy with attractive female guests which I guess he thought was flirty. Also he used to refer to single women as "Spare Birds". Jonathan Ross was a creep on his chat show as well.

I hope they are all brought down, the creepy fuckers.

SharpOpalNewt · 03/12/2024 12:34

Lincoln24 · 03/12/2024 11:23

I agree with this, you could cancel 90% of famous men from that era of you held them to today's standards. People are talking like it happened yesterday but it was 30 years ago and society has moved on a lot.

I am holding them to the standards of the time. I was already a feminist by the age of 20 and hated the lad culture of the 1990s.

saltysandysea · 03/12/2024 12:43

Sidebeforeself · 03/12/2024 11:20

@FoxblueHas Billy Piper said she was groomed?

I am not defending people who have done something wrong but I do feel as a PP said , we are entering witchunt territory

I have not heard Billie piper say a bad word against Evans (her desert island disk session is worth a listen).

Evans was a product of his time (also remember Russell brand). But times have changed but some appear to have not realised this (mr Wallace).

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