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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

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TheSilkWorm · 02/12/2024 05:52

You need to send him to your parents. It's not their job either to look after him but it's more their job than yours. I appreciate he is ill but he's also extremely selfish and entitled and you've enabled him for decades. You need to stop. You do not need to rush down and pick him up when he's feeling low. He needs to go to the doctor or to hospital or contact the crisis team. Having him stay with you for weeks on end is ridiculous and unsustainable.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:54

Thank you for that. You're right. I have been enabling him - I'd not really seen it like that, more me acting out of love/guilt, but I can see how it's not actually helped him.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:56

I'm going to call my parents tomorrow. My mum had already said on the phone that she's worried that this is unsustainable/unfair on me.

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gamerchick · 02/12/2024 06:04

One day he's going to come and not leave. I suspect that time has come.

You are not responsible for your bother. You and your parents have stopped him from becoming a fully functioning human. Why does he need to human when he knows you'll all wipe his bum for him?

Send him to your parents. You've enough on your plate and stop him just coming down for weeks when he feels like it.

NewIdeasToday · 02/12/2024 06:07

Sorry you’re in such a difficult situation.

I think you really need to prioritise yourself and your immediate family more here.

While it’s difficult for your brother, he is an independent adult.

Meanwhile your teenage daughter is having her life impacted in a way that is really unfair with lasting consequences if she doesn’t do well in her GCSEs as a result.

Your husband sounds like a saint for putting up with this especially given that he’s had a touch time too.

StartupRepair · 02/12/2024 06:11

You poor thing. You sound like a lovely compassionate person who is at the end of her tether. You cannot fix your brother and you cannot do this at the expense of your own DD and DH.
You need to tell him and your parents clearly that it is no longer possible.

supercalifragilistic123 · 02/12/2024 06:14

You have done too much for him too long.

Now is the time to say no for the sake of your family. They have to come first this time.

ZekeZeke · 02/12/2024 06:15

Your DD and DH come first.
Your brother needs to move out. Now!
Don't feel guilty, you have been an amazing support.

Valkirie · 02/12/2024 06:15

Not the question you asked, but has POTS been considered as a reason for your brother’s vertigo issues? It often co-occurs with neurodivergence which you mention is also present in your family.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 06:17

You are all absolutely right - and even though it's kind of harsh to hear that I've been enabling him and not prioritising my family, it actually helps and gives me the headspace to look at what's really been happening. All I've felt is obligation, guilt (and of course love) but I cannot jeopardise DH and DD's wellbeing.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 06:17

Valkirie · 02/12/2024 06:15

Not the question you asked, but has POTS been considered as a reason for your brother’s vertigo issues? It often co-occurs with neurodivergence which you mention is also present in your family.

Not that I'm aware of. I'll look into that. Thanks.

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BadPeopleFan · 02/12/2024 06:18

If you can't do it for yourself do it for your daughter and husband.
God only knows how your daughter feels about uncle Bob rocking up and wandering around the house in a cloud of doom.
Your poor husband has tried to commit suicide and he is (I assume) helping to look after this man that persistently makes poor choices (stopping his anti depressants, taking too much time off sick)
This man is incapable of considering anyone else, who actually goes into someone's bedroom at the crack of dawn to wake them up? Never mind someone who is really ill with a chest infection. Has he even thought to make you a cup of tea or a glass of water? Probably not.
Get him out and send him to your parents, then you can make a plan with them with regards to the future.

Whyherewego · 02/12/2024 06:30

Absolutely you need to sit him down and explain that you are not in a position to care for him at this time. That you have to prioritise DD and DH and so he needs to go your parents if he needs support. Or else he needs to go home and find the support externally with the MB teams he has access to.
DD is your priority here as she has mocks and GCSEs. And DH is clearly in a delicate recovery period and you don't want him to get worse. And you are ILL! This isn't working. At all
You have a good heart. But you can't fix him

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 06:33

God only knows indeed, DD is very good at hiding stress herself, also manifests itself physically with her and she develops tics which can be v painful as can cause her neck to spasm.

DH is indeed helping, and is going to have to drive him to the hospital appointment this morning as I will need to take DD in for her last exam and then collect her (she goes to a school a 20 min drive away with no public transport). He's being incredibly understanding and supportive, but also it's obvious that certain behaviours of my brother's are frustrating him.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 06:33

Sorry, that was in response to @BadPeopleFan's post.

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Bezzi · 02/12/2024 06:36

You sound lovely. You have done so much more than most would in this situation. You have nothing to feel guilty about. It's time to gently make new rules and plans with him. He says he doesn't feel as comfortable at your parents but maybe that's a good thing. He's so comfortable at yours that he doesn't need to get himself better and move on as it suits him to be there.
Maybe at your parents there will be more of an incentive for him to help himself to get better so that he can return home and to his job.
Mental health is such a difficult thing to deal with. You will need to be gentle with him and make him realise that you are doing this as it's the best thing for him and everyone else. Good luck

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 06:38

Now I'm getting quite angry with him - think you're all putting things into focus for me a bit. He spoke to my parents yesterday and he mentioned to me afterwards that my dad has changed the topic to my DD and how he hopes she can do well, get into uni etc. and my brother said he got angry with him saying that it's the last thing he wanted to talk about.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 06:40

"He's so comfortable at yours that he doesn't need to get himself better and move on as it suits him to be there."

Yep, I can see that now.

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Unescorted · 02/12/2024 06:45

My DH has physical symptoms that manifest themselves when he is starting a depressive episode. Usually stomach and heart related with no underlying physical cause found. The symptoms are no less real. The body brain interface is a baffling thing.

WonderingWanda · 02/12/2024 06:52

Op he is an adult and you cannot fix him. You also do not need to prop him up indefinitely especially when it is clearly having a very dire impact on your own health and family. Put your foot down. Take him to the hospital but on the way explain clearly that you will be dropping him back to his house afterwards and this turning up and staying for long periods without asking needs to stop. He needs proper treatment not to cop out by just hiding at yours.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 06:54

Oh absolutely - I'm living proof of that myself. And I'm convinced his IBS symptoms are at least in part related to his mental health (gut-brain connection and all that). But it was so stupid of him to sign himself off work again for this - he could have worked from home. I'm just so worried he's going to loose his job and be wholly reliant on me.

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Flipslop · 02/12/2024 07:03

Sorry this might sound harsh but if you see any resulting impact on your DH or DD you’re going to feel awful so you have to nip this in the bud now. Your brother has overstepped so many boundaries as he’s not been shown any by you or your husband. I imagine DH is pushing down his feelings of stress with your brother being around as he wants to support you but you need to get off this merry go round before it’s you guys that are suffering MH issues. I’m glad you’ve got to a place of realisation that this isn’t right. Sending well wishes, it’s tough being a person who has it is their makeup to put others first at their own expense and take responsibility for everyone’s well being above their own x

Ownyourchoices · 02/12/2024 07:03

He has to go. ASAP. He is an adult who has been indulged by everyone - his parents, you and his work, for far too long. He sounds like one of those people who will never try and improve his lot as his identity is now tied up with himself as a victim. Yes, these people exist before I cop abuse.

You matter. Your daughter matters. Your DH matters. He is dragging you down and sapping your energy and literally making you ill. He is responsible for his own life - make him take it. And if he won't thats on him

LetsNCagain · 02/12/2024 07:05

If I were your daughter I'd have lasting resentment that you made me live with this uncle for long stretches of time. I imagine everyone walks on eggshells around him.

You're teaching her that women must bend over backwards to serve feckless, entitled men.

I've no doubt he's genuinely ill as well as feckless and entitled. But services exist to help him.

If you lived alone, this would be all fine, crack on. But it's so unacceptable that you inflict this housemate on your daughter. I feel so sorry for her. If I were her I'd be escaping to a boyfriend's house (any boyfriend I could find) within a year or two.

bge · 02/12/2024 07:11

Ah bless you, what a difficult situation. If you were single, you might choose to care for him - not saying that’s right, but as an adult that’s your choice. But you can’t choose to sacrifice your DH and DD for him. That’s not fair of you. You need to take him to your parents’ and allow DD space to revise in particular

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