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I can't cope with depressed brother being so reliant on me. Feel like a bitch for saying that.

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inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 05:47

I'm so sorry - this going to be so long - but I need to get this out. I'm up with this awful cough/chest infection which makes it impossible to lie down and sleep. Been ill since last Tuesday. Have had virtually no sleep since then. Pretty sure a lot of you will think I'm a heartless cow, but I'm getting to my wits end.

Context. My brother (quite significantly older than me) has suffered from depression since he was a teen. He has been on antidepressants since then, except for a couple of occasions when he's taken himself off them for one reason or another, which have ended up in disaster. He lives about 2.5 hours away from me.

For some years now he has been spending more and more time at my house with my DH, DD and I. He lives alone and came to stay with us during lock down, and has often come to stay with us, sometimes for weeks, off and on since then when he's feeling low or had a crappy couple of weeks (e.g. work stress). I've always said to him of course he can come, how can I not, but he's often then stayed and stayed, prolonging his stay without discussing it with me - just declaring he's not going to go home for another week at the end of his planned stay.

He has a fantastic job in the civil service, but has had lot and lots of absences for various ailments over the past couple of years and they are understandably getting serious about his attendance. He seems to think this is very unfair and how they just don't understand. I've tried gently - but seriously - to explain that you can indeed be dismissed for repeated or lengthy absences.

In May this year he started getting some odd physical symptoms - balance issues/vertigo mainly (other very vague things like feeling cold, and out of it) - I rushed down there to him when this initially happened as he took himself to hospital thinking he was having a stroke. Ultimately anything serious was ruled out and after taking him to a few appointments for some further checks I drove him back to mine to stay. He decided that these symptoms were due to his antidepressant (that he'd been on for 15 years), so agreed with his GP to reduce his dose to an incredibly small one (questionable that it was even therapeutic anymore - it was 1/4 of the starting dose, he had been on double the starting dose for 15 years). His physical symptoms did clear up eventually - he put this down to this reduction in his antidepressants - I wasn't so convinced. I also voiced my concern that he was now effectively not on antidepressants and we all know how that had ended up in the past and that he needed to push to try another antidepressant if he didn't want to go back to his old one.

He eventually went back home and to work, and was there for a few months until he started experiencing stomach issues, now diagnosed as IBS (which I know is not fun - I've had it for years myself) and yet again took himself off work. He was working with his GP and a dietician and put on the FODMAP diet which he's still on. Again, he came to ours for a few weeks. His work were getting very ancy by this time and he started to do some hours remotely from ours as he had no choice. Eventually he went home again, he was home for a week only then for his depression to increase so I told him to get an emergency appointment with his GP who told him to double his dose last week. Well all hell broke loose (assuming side effects of increasing the dose). I've been ill for a couple of months now with all these bloody relentless viruses (also been very anemic for a lot longer and recently had a couple of infusions and currently undergoing tests to find out why - so you can imagine how rough I've been feeling), but last Tuesday I came down with proper flu (raging temp etc.) and have been in bed since and have been mainly off work (doing work when needed from bed). I never take time off work, honestly have to be at deaths door - have subsequently developed a chest infection and am on antibiotics. Got a call from my brother at 5:30am on Wednesday with him feeling awful saying I needed to drive down and collect him, after explaining I couldn't as I was ill asked to speak to DH and asked him to go. I said to DH that he couldn't, he had work plus he was helping me out with a work event in the evening which I obviously couldn't attend any more but he still needed to arrange some stuff and be there for a short while. I put my foot down and said he had to either drive, get the train or wait until we could drive to him and if he was in crisis to call his local crisis team immediately. He eventually said he would drive as he couldn't fit all the stuff he wanted to bring in a backpack so the train was out (so he'd get obviously decided at that point he was coming for a while).

Since he's been with us he has been waking me up every morning at silly-o'clock (e.g. 5-6), as he's been experiencing massive anxiety. I've been woken up three times now to him standing in our bedroom crying and saying he can't cope. I am getting about 2 hours of sleep per night due to this chest infection anyway, and have usually only just dropped off when he's waking me up. At this rate I'm never going to get better. DH had to stop him coming into our bedroom the other day when I had eventually managed to doze off. Anyway, called the local out of hours crisis team yesterday morning and sat with him whilst he spoke to them, they're seeing him this morning and have told him to register as a temporary patient at my local GP and they are hopefully going to make a plan going forward - e.g. moving to a new antidepressant (I hope). On the phone he said to them he was going to stay with me indefinitely (no discussion with me) and can't see himself doing his job for some months.

In the past when he's had a crisis like this he's decamped to our parents who look after him for months whilst he recovers and he finds a new job - but he's decided that he finds it too stressful to stay with them (they're getting on now as well). I can see what is going to happen. He is going to loose his job, loose his rented flat as a result and have nowhere to live but here with us. So, unemployed, living with us indefinitely. And what choice do I have?

It's really stressful when he stays with us - just the whole dynamic/routine of the household goes out the window. He has always been single and as a result his life revolves around himself, he spreads himself and his things around the house, and changes/moves/breaks thing (little things, but they all add up) and gets argumentative when I ask him not to do something. My home just doesn't feel like my home anymore; I can't spend evenings chilling out lying on the sofa in front of the telly with DH, as we often do, he's often lying on the sofa watching TV himself, he smokes although takes himself outside but his clothes smell of smoke. He is in our small spare room (well, he's on the sofa tonight for some reason) which we had just recently decked out as DD's study as her bedroom isn't really big enough for a desk; she's finishing her mocks tomorrow and has her GCSEs in May - she has ADHD and it's been incredibly challenging for her academically, but we'd really turned a corner recently and she's determined to get into 6th form, I'm so worried all of this is going to upheave her, stress her out and affect her performance; she's been so proud of her achievements recently and I think if she does badly now what little confidence she'd recently gained will disappear.

I am pretty sure a straw will break the camel's back and I will end up loosing it with him at some point, or just getting incredibly stressed and ill (stress usually manifests itself physically with me as I just try to ignore it and push on through - I've had my own mental health battles). But how can I effectively abandon my depressed brother? I love him dearly, and want him to be well, but he's come to rely on me so heavily that it's becoming too much. He's really not helped himself; taking so much time off work for spurious reasons and now he really needs the time off they are challenging him and his job is in jeopardy; him not taking my advice about not going cold turkey on the antidepressants without a plan to start a new one; just the assumption that we can constantly put our lives on hold. DH is being incredibly understanding - but I can even see him getting frustrated by my brother over the past few months. DH also had a huge mental breakdown last year and attempted suicide twice, he's only just got back on some sort of even keel about 6 months ago but is still recovering. Jesus, what if HE ends up breaking down again and then I've got 2 men in crisis to look after?! I've got my own full time stressful job to do as well, plus a neurodivergent daughter to keep on track. I'm terrified! I honestly don't know what to do for the best. He has very good friends but they don't live in the same city as him, but other than them and my parents, we're all he has.

What the fuck do I do?

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SeamsLegit · 02/12/2024 13:24

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 13:17

You're right @Oldrunner - they don't have the full picture, DH just messaged me to say that he did not have an opportunity to speak to the mental health nurses, so they only know what my brother has told them. They are currently on their way home.

DH and I do not currently have any support from mental health professionals (have for physical health, me for persistent anaemia and DH currently being investigated for issues with bleeding from random places and and elevated prostate cancer markers). DH's therapy finished some months ago, he just continues with the antidepressants. I think maybe I need to speak to someone.

Plan is for DH and I to sit him down, ask how it went and what the plan is, and then tell him he can't stay here for the multitude of reasons you've all pointed out. Will see how that goes.

Please be firm, don't get bogged down with reasons, because reasons can be countered. "Unfortunately, it no longer is possible for you to stay here. This is a decision we have made as a family. We love you, but our responsibility is to look after our daughter and our marriage. We cannot provide professional help, and that is what you need".

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 13:26

I do feel sad for your brother. It's terrible he's suffering that much.

But I also feel sad for you

DurinsBane · 02/12/2024 13:27

StainlessSeal · 02/12/2024 07:31

Between her father and her uncle, all I can think of is just how much trauma your daughter must have seen and experienced over the last few years. Please start putting her first.

I’m confused about the father part?

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Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 13:27

DurinsBane · 02/12/2024 13:27

I’m confused about the father part?

OP said that her child's father had a mental breakdown last year.

AlbertCamusflage · 02/12/2024 13:28

Plan is for DH and I to sit him down, ask how it went and what the plan is, and then tell him he can't stay here for the multitude of reasons you've all pointed out. Will see how that goes.

Hope it goes well. Please do be firm. You and your family have significant needs of your own. Don't feel like acknowledging those and insisting on them is unreasonable or unkind. Make sure there is something very firm set in stone by the end of the conversation xxxxxxxx

Eddielizzard · 02/12/2024 13:29

OMG. I absolutely agree with prioritising your own DD and DH now. Your DB has grown up thinking it's all about him, he's used to you dropping everything for him and your family prioritising his needs. It's a bit fucked up. He's not taking responsibility at all, anywhere. Not with his health, his job, his flat. He thinks you're his safety net.

Your DD really needs you now. This is make or break time. You have already given your DB too much, time to draw the line. It will be hard. You'll feel immense guilt, but your parents are on your side, as is your own family.

Good luck

LadyGabriella · 02/12/2024 13:32

Mumsnet is quite quick to tell you to chuck him out etc. For what it’s worth, I think you have been such a loving kind sister. I think there’s something to be said for supporting our families. Could you maybe reach a compromise where you say he can stay a little longer, but on the condition that he stops taking sick leave from work. Thereby keeping him job and hopefully in the new year he can start rebuilding with a view to moving out. I suspect if you just kick him out now he won’t cope and may spiral further. Have conditions for him staying ie he must be on his best behaviour. If he breaches this or DD or DH are compromised, then kick him out. Having a brother is a special bond, I would give my brother a lot of grace and support.

LadyGabriella · 02/12/2024 13:33

Mumsnet is very biased again extended family OP. Please show your brother some love.

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 13:34

Yes I do also think you have been kind OP. You dont have to kick him out right away of course.

maybe have a talk with him with a view to him moving out. Like tell him what date in the future you are thinking of him moving out. Then he can have more supports in place when he goes back

Honeycrisp · 02/12/2024 13:34

LadyGabriella · 02/12/2024 13:32

Mumsnet is quite quick to tell you to chuck him out etc. For what it’s worth, I think you have been such a loving kind sister. I think there’s something to be said for supporting our families. Could you maybe reach a compromise where you say he can stay a little longer, but on the condition that he stops taking sick leave from work. Thereby keeping him job and hopefully in the new year he can start rebuilding with a view to moving out. I suspect if you just kick him out now he won’t cope and may spiral further. Have conditions for him staying ie he must be on his best behaviour. If he breaches this or DD or DH are compromised, then kick him out. Having a brother is a special bond, I would give my brother a lot of grace and support.

DD is already being compromised.

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 13:34

Does he own or rent his place?

2024riot · 02/12/2024 13:39

LadyGabriella · 02/12/2024 13:33

Mumsnet is very biased again extended family OP. Please show your brother some love.

What's with the emotional blackmail ? The Op has comprised her own health and been incredibly supportive

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 13:43

2024riot · 02/12/2024 13:39

What's with the emotional blackmail ? The Op has comprised her own health and been incredibly supportive

I think it's more that people feel a bit sad for the brother. He's obviously in a terrible state. If hes walking around saying he cant cope.

And its not nice when anyone suffers.

But I agree that the OP needs to get him back in his own house. Well done on being a great sister to him OP. You are kind.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 13:46

Of course I'll show him love. Why do you think this is killing me to do this? I've been showing him love for the 46 years I've been on this earth.

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Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 13:48

It's awful that he's even coming into your room at 5am to wake you up.

Reading over your opening post more OP, I actually think you'd be kinder to him by getting him back in his own flat.

If he lives with you for free, he won't go back to work for ages and may lose his Job.

He needs to work to pay rent for his flat. If he go back to his flat he will be more encouraged to work.

I think you can help him not by having him live with you, but by getting him back in his flat and setting up mental health carers and support to go round to him in his flat. Encourage his independence

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 13:50

inigomontoyahwillcox · 02/12/2024 13:46

Of course I'll show him love. Why do you think this is killing me to do this? I've been showing him love for the 46 years I've been on this earth.

It's clear you love him very much and I really admire you. I think you're great I really do.

But sometimes love is not "looking after the person"

Love can be encouraging the person to be independent and be in his own home.

It may be better for him in the long run not to get too dependant on you

LadyGabriella · 02/12/2024 13:51

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MyPronounIsTired · 02/12/2024 13:51

LadyGabriella · 02/12/2024 13:32

Mumsnet is quite quick to tell you to chuck him out etc. For what it’s worth, I think you have been such a loving kind sister. I think there’s something to be said for supporting our families. Could you maybe reach a compromise where you say he can stay a little longer, but on the condition that he stops taking sick leave from work. Thereby keeping him job and hopefully in the new year he can start rebuilding with a view to moving out. I suspect if you just kick him out now he won’t cope and may spiral further. Have conditions for him staying ie he must be on his best behaviour. If he breaches this or DD or DH are compromised, then kick him out. Having a brother is a special bond, I would give my brother a lot of grace and support.

No one is being 'quick' about this, least of all OP. This has been going on years and has caused unimaginable stress on the OP's DH and DD.

His job is clearly - one would assume - based near to where he has a flat, which (had you taken the time to read the OP before being so judgemental) is about 2.5 hours from OP. So he cannot both live with OP and attend his job.

People MUST learn to help themselves. The only crime I might ascribe to the OP is removing him of his most basic responsibility to himself.

Now it is his turn to bear the emotional hit. OP has done more than enough.

OriginalUsername2 · 02/12/2024 13:52

You’ve got to be cruel to be kind sometimes. This is one of them.

Your kindness is giving him a way out of life. You have to be stoic and push him back towards his home and his job.

You have done all you can, so you don’t need to feel any guilt.

candlerhyme · 02/12/2024 13:52

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How helpful.

Maurepas · 02/12/2024 13:52

Although the situation is desperate and awful - try turning his thoughts so he does not take himself so seriously. Can you start making jokes that he may see the point of about his condition - so he lightens up a little?. Does he really not see how he brings you and all his family down?

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 13:53

OP I understand you I really do. You want to care for him and help him. But having him in your house is not really helping him or you.

It just promotes dependency and will make him more unable to do things.

There are definitely mental health charities that will go round and help him in his own home.

The NHS also have people that go round to homes and help people with their mental health and give them support.

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SharpWriter · 02/12/2024 13:54

How would he cope financially if he lost his job - would he be dependent on you for money? Has he considered that? So sorry OP. You sound amazing.

Lallydallydune · 02/12/2024 13:55

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It's not the OPs responsibility to provide full time psychiatric care though.

When she is busy herself and she has a child

Would you be able to have a severely mentally ill sibling living with you fulltime?

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