Thread 12 Starmer: From Prescott to Rayner, working class grit

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So not scathing about the policies but just at the renaming? Yes that does seem unnecessary, targets instead of missions

You have every right to express your opinions and I’m not on the least upset. I’m just a bit puzzled by your devotion to KS. But if you have complete faith in him there’s nothing wrong with that I suppose. I don’t have complete faith in any politician.

What did he say that meant that you would describe it as scathing?

As far as i'm aware, the UKs extra renewable energy production wouldn't be enough to bring down the price in the energy market and Gas is subsidised by extra on electricity in the UK, then there is the standing charges...

Gas prices are around the same now as they were in 2018, funnily enough, the price we pay is 50%... non gas electricity generation is hugely profitable for energy companies

According to the last Govt, the only way to bring real savings to consumers is to create two energy markets, Gas and Renewable but that requires European co-operation.

So don't hold your breath that Labour can change this, i expect the best we'll get is that GB Energy has stopped prices go higher.....

https://www.ft.com/content/f9e14f18-76ce-44a1-b10e-e46789806b16

Being impressed with how he is doing is a far cry from devotion and complete faith! Stop projecting.

Same goes for this misuse of the word scathing.

It’s not instead of missions. He talked a little about mission led government. They are challenging targets within the missions.

What is blooming Garage doing on QT again? They've had more reform reps than Lib Dems it seems.

That's me not watching it again.

Just popping in to say hi. I’d like to stay, but have a boundary that I won’t frequent threads that have participants I wouldn’t sit at a table with in a pub.

It’s not a matter of difference in opinion. It’s the unpleasantness. Xx

edited to add - these threads meant a lot during the summer, during the riots and Southport etc, the woof woofs biting bums! Thanks.

Sometimes I think it would be nice to have a real pub meet! But I think we are generally so scattered it would be very difficult.

It would be amusing to tell some of you what I actually do for a crust! You’d laugh I think.

Will have to stick with a virtual pub like Orwell’s Moon under Water. But the pub has a cat, horse brasses, McMullen on tap and no music, television or fruit machines

I’ve thought the same thing. The thought of spending an afternoon with you all in the flesh fills me with joy.

I didn't watch it but I have seen 2 clips. One of Campbell owing Fartage on his brexit legacy and another one of a woman saying that too much is made of war

I happily would spend time in a pub with you all

Instead I shall start a new thread shortly, hopefully it will attrack less derails and last longer.

I caught a glimpse where a man told him that asylum seekers were such a small percentage of the migration figures that he should shut up about it.

It’s a good watch if you can cope with a hour of Farage. Some of the audience reactions are priceless.

Good. Because that’s true, and we shouldn’t buy into the narrative set by the last government. Which was a very expensive fig leaf for what was actually happening.

Labour should hold the Conservatives feet to the fire on legal migration. A near million people in the space of year. By design.

Farage is full of himself but he has some cause. Badenoch and Starmer had better think carefully about their voter base. He is coming to try and take it.

New thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5224857-thread-13-starmer-facts-are-for-lefties

I would happily spend time with you all in the pub. London meet up?! 🍷

Farage is full of himself but he has some cause. Badenoch and Starmer had better think carefully about their voter base. He is coming to try and take it.

That make no sense. You can't appeal to both Tories and Labour without being in the centre - which Reform and their frog faced leader are not in any way.

No. Reform - and I can see why the media spin tries to avoid stating it - Reform are the unicorn some of us have waited nearly all our lives for. A "parting on the right" as the esteemed political and social commentator P. Townshend said in the chapter "Won't get fooled again" in his volume "Who's next". (Still an incisive commentary on the seismic social shifts of the 60s and 70s).

Why would a disaffected Labour voter leapfrog the mildly right wing Tories to jump into bed with the more right wing Reform ?

It makes no sense.

No, the Tories are now in the splitter. They can lose supporters to the LibDems, or Reform.

This is why the whole totally underreported debate on electoral reform is critical. If the UK isn't careful it will end up next election with a government that cannot demonstrate any claim to be "democratic" with more than 1 in 2 people voting against them. And we've come close already.

So Reform a threat to Labour ? You're 'aving a giraffe.

Matt Green

What are Keir Starmer’s Milestones?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m5IRmd72mGk

I am big on facts. Reform came second in a lot Labour held seats in the last election, not the Tories (who I think are in real trouble). There is your threat. If there was not movement in the traditional Labour vote then we would not have Brexit imo.

I am big on facts. Reform came second in a lot Labour held seats in the last election, not the Tories (who I think are in real trouble). There is your threat.

Yes. To the Tories. Where Reform is replacing them as the opposition. All that does is change the opposition to Labour, not increase it.

With the Tories a busted flush, the media really needs a right wing party to push, so are trying to put Reform up as the replacement. However this is a party that couldn't find it's way to the all party parliamentary committee on electoral reform which was supposed to be their #1 priority for their supporters.

The Tories losing Tim Montgomerie to Reform is an interesting move. I heard him described as worth 10 Andrea Jenkyns.

It is dominantly a right wing issue I agree and Reform are more likely to take voters from the Tory Party. But the numbers should worry Labour - a large cohort of right wing voters in traditionally Labour seats. Currently divided, united into a Reform party then Labour would lose.

Tim Montgomerie is a serious hitter which shows they are serious about more electoral success. He can make and promote policy effectively instead of that jumble sale of a manifesto last time.

The Tory Party looks like it’s on its last legs to me. The failure narrative on them is huge. Both Labour and Reform can hit them on migration, austerity, economic incompetence for years.

It's a bit odd where this irrational fear of the right wing comes from. Give them a chance surely ?

I’m looking at Llanelli, next constituency along to me where Reform did well (but so did Plaid), Labour narrowly winning. Years ago Labour would get 30000 votes and well over 50% of the vote. Although the Tories did a bit better there in 2017 and 2019, I’d put that largely down to Get Brexit Done. I think a lot of the Reform votes came from former Labour voters who would never vote Tory.
I’ve had to mute good friends on SM due to them becoming a bit Reformist.

I can see Reform doing well there in next years Senedd elections unfortunately.