Thread 12 Starmer: From Prescott to Rayner, working class grit

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Successful lawsuits against the Mail

• 2001, February: Businessman Alan Sugar was awarded £100,000 in damages following a story commenting on his stewardship of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.[199]
• 2003, October: Actress Diana Rigg was awarded £30,000 in damages over a story commenting on aspects of her personality.[200]
• 2006, May: Musician Elton John received £100,000 damages following false accusations concerning his manners and behaviour.[201]
• 2009, January: £30,000 award to Austen Ivereigh, who had worked for Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, following false accusations made by the newspaper concerning abortion.[202]
• 2010, July: £47,500 award to Parameswaran Subramanyam for falsely claiming that he secretly sustained himself with hamburgers during a 23-day hunger strike in Parliament Square to draw attention to the protests against the Sri Lankan Civil War in 2009.[203]
• 2011, November: the former lifestyle adviser Carole Caplin received damages over claims in the Mail that she would reveal intimate details about former clients.[204]
• 2014, May: Author J. K. Rowling received "substantial damages" and the Mail printed an apology. The newspaper had made a false claim about Rowling's story written for the website of Gingerbread, a single parents' charity.[205]
• 2017, April: First Lady of the United States, Melania Trump, received an undisclosed settlement over claims in the Mail that she had worked as an escort in the 1990s.[206] In September 2016, she began litigation against the Daily Mail for an article which discussed escort allegations. The article included rebuttals and said that there was no evidence to support the allegations. The Mail regretted any misinterpretation that could have come from reading the article, and retracted it from its website.[207] Melania Trump filed a lawsuit in Maryland, suing for $150 million.[208] On 7 February 2017, the lawsuit was re-filed in the correct jurisdiction, New York, where the Daily Mail's parent company has offices, seeking damages of at least $150 million.[209]
• 2018, June: Earl Spencer accepted undisclosed libel damages from Associated Newspapers over a claim that he acted in an "unbrotherly, heartless and callous way" towards his sister Diana, Princess of Wales.[210]
• 2019, June: Associated Newspapers paid £120,000 in damages plus costs to Interpal, a UK-based charity which the Mail falsely accused of funding a "hate festival" in Palestine which acted out the murder of Jews.[211]
• 2020, November: The Mail agreed to pay libel damages of £25,000 and apologised for distress caused to University of Cambridge professor Priyamvada Gopal, who they had falsely claimed "was attempting to incite an aggressive and potentially violent race war".[212]
• 2020, December: The Mail paid businessman James Dyson and his wife Lady Deirdre Dyson £100,000 in libel damages after suggesting they had behaved badly towards their former housekeeper.[213]
• 2021, January: Associated Newspapers paid damages and apologised to a British Pakistani couple about whom they had made false allegations in relation to their work as counter-extremism experts.[214]
• 2021, May: Associated Newspapers paid substantial damages and apologised after revealing the identity of a complainant in a rape case against film director Luc Besson.[215]

Apologies @Piggywaspushed I didn't mean to insult anyone who didn't know about Hodges' mother. I was very irritated when I posted that and sick of being patronised. x

I couldn't find any info on successful lawsuits against the Guardian since 2001 to compare against the Mail's record.

Thanks for all the info!

The Melania one is especially interesting given Putin's antics recently .

Oh but there must be. Aren't the Guardian and the Mail just the same as each other? 🤔 Or maybe not.

The Mail hasn't really changed since the 30s when it backed Hitler, isn't the great grandson of that owner on the board that owns the paper today?

I see some of the headlines it comes out at our local ASAD Express and its quite shocking why anyone would pay to read this nonsense but they do & they believe it.

On a positive note, Badenoch was awful today at PMQs.

This is what the Tories and reform want for our health system.

"Blue Cross Blue Shield in Connecticut, New York and Missouri has declared it will no longer pay for anesthesia for the full length of some surgeries. If the procedure goes over a certain time, anesthesia will not be covered for the duration."

https://www.asahq.org/about-asa/newsroom/news-releases/2024/11/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-will-not-pay-complete-duration-of-anesthesia-for-surgical-procedures

They had a momentary blip when they went all crusading about Stephen Lawrence.

Mance‬ ‪@henrymance.bsky.social‬
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like many people, I am baffled that former Spectator employee and close Michael Gove ally Kemi Badenoch won the leader of the year award from the Spectator magazine, whose editor is Michael Gove.

Haha! I think they had to give her something. They gave Jenrick a one to watch award. They choose interesting candidates mostly - whereas it’s clearly Nigel Farage who is leader of the year. Has actually been a leader for longer than Badenoch and arguably more extraordinary in what he’s done (nb does not indicate any like of the man but he’s a much better operator than her).

That is very amusing.

Davey, Starmer and Farage obviously lagging behind.

French government collapsed as vote of no confidence passed.

Will be interesting to watch and o wonder what impact this will have in Europe as well as internationally

Quite an impressive achievement after 2 weeks in opposition 👀

France is interesting. Barnier was once part of a dominant centre right party. Now he’s doomed by extremes on both sides. The story about France is oh well they don’t vote for extremes in large numbers. But they have this time and it will make their country very unstable

Marine Le Pen is a bully. All she wants is the collapse of the government so she can try and get in there. I think she accepts democracy about as much as our current opposition party.

She has so much in common with Nigel Fagash.

This is an interesting round up of the actual Bills passed or in progress this Parliament. https://bylinetimes.com/2024/12/03/government-by-talking-shop-hardly-heres-just-some-of-the-major-reforms-keir-starmer-has-introduced-so-far/

Those bills etc that are coming through are perfect for social media. Short videos etc, developing the emotions, real stories.

I hope Labour have a good social media team that understands the power of emotions and stories in getting a message across.

https://news.sky.com/story/backlog-of-rape-and-sexual-offences-in-the-crown-courts-is-totally-unacceptable-englands-chief-prosecutor-says-13267196

On average, adult survivors of rape are waiting 710 days from the point of complaint to proceedings being concluded.
In a bid to tackle the wait for justice, the Director of Public Prosecutions unveiled a new survivor support programme.

The criminal justice system is nearly broken imo. It desperately needs money and resources.

This is a very foolish problem we’ve ended up with; criminal justice isn’t that different from health spending. You need to have an effective system not for moral reasons particularly but because crime literally wastes human beings and their capacity to have productive lives. It’s a good thing for an economy to have an effective system and it’s much much better for society.

Waiting two years for a trial regarding a serious violation to a person - the social cost is huge. All those hurt and damaged women and children. It compounds the crime itself.

This is a very foolish problem we’ve ended up with; criminal justice isn’t that different from health spending. You need to have an effective system not for moral reasons particularly but because crime literally wastes human beings and their capacity to have productive lives. It’s a good thing for an economy to have an effective system and it’s much much better for society.

It's the logical destination when you don't see society, but a simple collection of cost centres. If Alice can bring her costs down, who cares if Bobs go up ? And so on.

This is the sort of infantile "logic" that leads to suggestions that since a majority of domestic accidents happen at the top or bottom stair, new houses should be built without a top and bottom stair. Which is a real life example from my degree of how an "expert system" (which was the old name for the bollocks that is "AI" today. Same great stupidity, and twice the followers) solved the thorny issue of accidents in the home.

"There is no such thing as society" said Mrs Thatcher. Sadly not accounting for the grifters that would wilfully misinterpret it for their own ends. There is nothing quite as pathetic as a Tory who fails to understand what being a Tory means.

no No NO!

Boris and Sunak both know what a woman is, the situation in the justice system is clearly Labours fault.

My cousin is a former Barrister, she says the Justice system is broken and has been for some considerable time.

The problems that 14 years of Tory Austerity have caused are huge, i really don't know how they will begin or be given the time to fix.

Starmer is delivering his speech very soon, Badenoch has travelled to the US to try and build links with Republicans.

Angela Rayner says that cleaning up the mess feels like the job of a superhero.

Watching the speech on iPlayer

Quick summary. Starmer listed his six milestones after saying that a “strong foundation” of economic stability, and security measures had now allowed Labour to look ahead.

The first milestone to reach by the end of the Parliament is “higher living standards in every region of the country”, with Sir Keir Starmer added the UK was aiming for the “highest sustained growth in the G7, so working people have more money in their pocket”.

The second is to build 1.5 million new homes, and the third to put “more police on the beat, stamping out anti-social behaviour in every community”.

Starmer’s fourth milestone is to give every child the “best start in life” with a record number of five-year-olds entering school “ready to learn”.

His fifth milestone is clean power by 2030, “so never again can a tyrant like Putin attack the living standards of working people”.

And his sixth and final milestone was to cut NHS waiting lists to 18 weeks between referral and treatment.

(Guardian live)