Young, British and Anti Abortion.

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I was half watching it last night and intend to watch properly later. The guy they featured was a misogynistic Incel type.

Did anyone else see it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00256p2

This person won't be back. There was a good review of the show in the Guardian today. The whole show gave me the rage. These vacuous earnest young people not realising that women will die if they get their way.

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/nov/20/young-british-and-anti-abortion-review-surely-gen-z-are-too-smart-to-devalue-womens-lives-like-this

I really do not want this to become a political issue in this country.

@flagondry this is a right so many women fought to have. Do you hate women? Why 'save' a fertilised embryo if you'd not care for their right of autonomy after they are developed and born as female humans?

BBC shouldn't be giving a minority view like that a platform. I could make a documentary about any old crank view and legitimise it that way

Good point. I agree.

One of the people who actually tried to get them to answer questions was a man, I thought he was really good, but was just stonewalled by ideology. As has been said, you can't reason people out of a place they didn't arrive at using reason.

Did you watch the doc? The bbc really did not legitimise it. They asked lots of questions and took the anti abortion people apart.

Kill is very emotive language there, @xenia. I agree though that the current law is fine as it is.

It was a bit like when Nick Griffin was on Question Time back in the day. They left just enough space for them to hang themselves while not being provocative. Initially I wanted harder questioning from Poppy, and then realised it was a very good tactic.

Me, too.

Oh, I saw these last night and noticed how they didn't answer the rape question. There's a really sad episode of The Gift series about the consequences of DNA results.

Spoiler - think I've linked to the right episode here but... the guy they speak to finds out he was abandoned as a baby as he was the product of his mother being raped by her father. So his father and grandfather are the same person. The episode is so sad. He talks about wishing he was dead as when he looks in the mirror, he knows he's also seeing the face of his father, a rapist.

So talk of "the baby must live" completely ignores the impact of your mother being raped - particularly by a relative - on the mental health of the baby in later life. The scenario discussed was not all that unusual in rural America.

I remember at school (Catholic) SPUC used to visit and show their videos of abortions. Didn't really think about how awful that was until I was an adult. Women still had abortions so, as a tactic, it has little impact.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00255wz?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Were you sat waiting for a thread on the subject of the documentary to appear by any chance..

It is indeed very stupid 🤷‍♀️

Shame @flagondry probably won't be back. I'm also very interested to hear her views on pregnancy through rape.

I've been blocked by CBR UK on Facebook. I'm waiting for the council to respond to my complaints about their display on Saturday.

During the course of heated discourse on their Facebook page, one of the male anti-abortionists stalked my public page and dragged my dead husband into the debate. And accused me of treating the whole issue with amusement. I'm beyond incandescent. It will sound extreme, but as far as I'm concerned, this is war.

I'm in favour of peaceful protest and freedom of thought, expression and belief. I am not in favour of traumatising people on their way to Build A Bear and the Christmas market with their kids in tow.

I'm not a big "rah rah UK" person (I live abroad and have not been back since 2020, and am also a Scot Nat, or would be if I still lived in Scotland).

But the UK has some of the best infrastructure around abortion that I've ever seen anywhere. I don't mean to dim with faint praise; there is a lot of REALLY stupid abortion-related legislation around the world. The UK's is excellent and I wish other countries would adopt it.

The UK allows abortion up to 24 weeks without special permission - that’s the most of any European country. Is it too much? Well, if it is the UK is going to know, because they have an All-Party Parliamentary Group which periodically reviews abortion laws and creates guidance when a change may be needed. For example, if there's an indication that medical science has improved so that "viability" occurs earlier than the current 24 weeks, the committee reviews reports on it and brings it to the attention of Parliament to review and decide if a change is needed. This is all totally transparent to the public.

BBC shouldn't be giving a minority view like that a platform. I could make a documentary about any old crank view and legitimise it that way. Unfortunately, this became their de facto policy at some point before or during the Brexit campaign; they let anybody on who said "leave the EU" on because they couldn't find enough people to make a reasonable, informed case for leaving.

Eden says in the documentary, “I think women should have 100% choice to do anything and everything except this thing” (I paraphrase.) So not 100% then. What’s the percentage? 99%? 87%? Actually, I don’t care. Inflammatory bullshit. I’m pro-abortion.

That is disgusting re your husband , I sorry that happened to you. What despicable people.

How would you go about as you put it "forcing a mother to not kill her unborn baby" if she desperately wanted to not be pregnant any more?

If you had to imprison her in a room and tie her to a bed for months and force-feed her food and water while she kicked and screamed would it still not be wrong in your eyes?

How do you think that would make you feel? How many times could you do it?

I agree. Licence payers are funding this legitimising of an untenable position.

@flagondry just an FYI as a woman who has a termination. I did not murder/kill any baby and I'm disgusted by your language choices.

She would bask in the belief that she was doing the right thing, i suspect. It would drown out the screaming.

Nadine Dorries was on Newsnight plugging her book and even she was appalled at this group. ND has always argued for shortening the time for when you can get an abortion.

But this can easily gain traction if conservatives see supporting it as a route to power.

TRIGGER WARNING (termination)

I'm in two minds whether to watch this but I couldn't stop reading this thread. I'm deeply saddened that there is a view that women who have an abortion 'kill babies' and are effectively labelled as murderers. Few years ago I faced a heartbreaking decision to have an abortion at 17w because of a genetic condition that doctors described to me as the baby being 'incompatible with life'. I was faced with a choice where whatever I did, the decision felt 'wrong' as this was a very much planned pregnancy. Could I possibly cope with bonding with the baby, feeling its kicks and one day waking up and them not being there? Could I ever subject my baby to being hooked up to tubes and very likely being in extreme amounts of pain from the moment they are born for hours of maybe days until they inevitably pass? I felt that a termination was the 'lesser of both evils' and there is not a single day I don't think about that baby. It wasn't an easy decision, one that will stay with me forever but I know it was the right one in those impossible circumstances. Abortions are not a nonchalant subjects, murderers lack empathy and the regard for other beings. I definitely didn't lack regard for that baby.