Young, British and Anti Abortion.

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I was half watching it last night and intend to watch properly later. The guy they featured was a misogynistic Incel type.

Did anyone else see it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00256p2

No one’s business what a woman choses to do with her body.

Yes I can read.

But what you have said doesn't make sense, or it makes as much sense as the original.

If the federal government started introducing the tick box in all states at the same time then you might have an argument.

If only one state introduced it in, let's say, 2000 then depending on the population of the state the numbers should only rise a small amount or not at all.

Wyoming has a population circa 600 000, if that were the first state to adopt the new certificate there would not be a huge rise in figures.

More interesting reading, with references.

www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2024/jun/insights-us-maternal-mortality-crisis-international-comparison#:~:text=In%202022%20there%20were%20approximately%2022%20maternal%20deaths,Asian%20American%20women%20and%20highest%20for%20Black%20women.

This article is not interesting as it repeats uncritically those maternal mortality figures without putting them in context.

Why is America an outlier? And why was it the same as other OECD nations until the change in measurement in 2003? (you know the answer, you just don’t want to admit it for some reason)

You are mistaken that all single mothers get those benefits you listed. For one housing assistance has a several years long waiting list.

Besides anyone that believes that only single women terminate pregnancies is way out of line. 6 in 10 women already have children.

Same here. It was the worst thing I have ever endured, but it was the right thing for my baby, and for yours too. The pain they’d have suffered in their short lives. This is not a simplistic debate.

It’s also a typically patronising way of talking about disabled people, especially disabled children where they’re apparently all really happy, and brave and inspirational, even though society discriminates against them and their parents.

I’m 100% pro-choice and will always defend women’s rights to access safe abortions. But I will say those counter-protesters in Manchester, about 15 minutes into the programme, behaved inappropriately with the wording of some of their signs. They’re not doing themselves any favours.

Exactly! Even if they get all those benefits, there are so many loopholes and issues with the benefits. Take Section 8 housing - many landlords will not rent to someone on it. So while on paper people are being helped, they can't access the benefit. Or take subsidized daycare (which some states offer). Again, many don't take vouchers.

The anti-abortion crowd doesn't care at all about mothers or kids once they have given birth. They'll ban abortion and watch the child poverty rate skyrocket.

I am not even anti-abortion.

Waiting lists are inevitable when it comes to government benefits (which I don’t even think we should do, because you get more of what you subsidize, in general).

But I think it’s a lazy stereotype to say that pro-life advocates also support taking away benefits.

It comes from the alliance between fiscal conservatives like me and Christian conservatives who want to ban abortion. I don’t like sharing my political party with a bunch of pro-lifers, but here we are.

I liked the man who called her out on it all when they were having their 'protest' outside the national gallery

I thought this too!
She was filming them at times but we were shown her filming them!
Just a bit distracting

They said they weren't pro-lifers because of their religion and doing it from another viewpoint (can't remember the word used)

But I can't help but think that pro-lifers and religion are inextricably linked.

This is one of the reasons I'm put off by the catholic high school we looked round for my child.
I know probably a lot of people move with the times and would be ok with abortion now but one of the more fundamental and traditional Catholic beliefs along with other things is anti abortion. I just didn't like that ideology possibly influencing her

I am not conflicted. In the same way I'm not conflicted about our abortion laws, because in both cases the choice is wholly personal.

I come from a family who die of cancer. The experiences have left my family with PTSD, immense guilt and complicated grief. Not all my dead loved ones would have accessed assisted dying, but some would and did in the weeks and days leading to their death.

As with abortion, it should be up to the individual to decide for themselves. They should not be forced to suffer by the state.

This question troubles me too.

Ms Y in Ireland is a possible blueprint. This is a very sanitised version of her case.

www.safeabortionwomensright.org/news/ireland-justice-for-ms-y-finally/

Also, respite care services have been drastically cut in the UK since 2010, so the reality is that many parents of children with complex disabilities feel desperate and alone. Her parents were clearly in a privileged position to be able to make that choice (which was theirs to make - like abortion should be a choice for others).