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The grown-ups have left the building - Trump thread #136

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Spandauer · 09/11/2024 18:56

As we descend into 4 years of madness...

(thanks @Jaichangecentfoisdenom and* *@AcrossthePond55 for the suggestions)

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5200273-hands-across-the-water-trump-thread-135

The grown-ups have left the building - Trump thread #136
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Spandauer · 10/11/2024 09:10

Print journalism is gasping for air and news media moguls just want to collect their $$$ and will turn whichever way the wind blows. Old style investigative and expert journalism is rapidly disappearing and opinions are being managed out of the building. (Carole Cadwaller, Suzanne Moore, BBC Newsnight, LA Times etc)

reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/five-things-everybody-needs-know-about-future-journalism

CNN -
www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322761/cnn-john-malone-david-zaslav-chris-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column

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PerkingFaintly · 10/11/2024 10:08

Sinclair Broadcast Group in the US bought up local TV stations, which tended to be quite highly trusted by their local audiences.

Sinclair have used their ownership to do things like require the local stations to run right-wing commentary segments, including segments by former Trump advisers.

Trump – who is afraid of full, honest coverage – has long been calling media which didn't suck up to him Fake News. Back in 2017 Sinclair executives recorded a centralised piece which they required the trust local stations to play, boosting this message.

In 2018, Sinclair again issued a centralised piece boosting this message, but this time requiring the local newsreaders to read it out in their own voices.

The message included the words "some members of the media use their platforms to push their own personal bias and agenda to control 'exactly what people think.'"

Sinclair media executives wanted to use their platform to push their own agenda and conceal this fact from the audience, using the trust that local audiences had in their local media... to undermine trust in the media.

IIRC, some local media staff actually resigned over this. It's not that they wouldn't have supported the idea of encouraging people to think critically about which media to believe – it's that they weren't prepared to take part in deceiving their audience about who was really talking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/02/598794433/video-reveals-power-of-sinclair-as-local-news-anchors-recite-script-in-unison

x.com/Deadspin/status/980175772206993409

Video Reveals Power Of Sinclair, As Local News Anchors Recite Script In Unison

Sinclair Broadcast Group owns more than 190 local TV stations across the country. The company recently began instructing local anchors to read a script denouncing "fake" news.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/02/598794433/video-reveals-power-of-sinclair-as-local-news-anchors-recite-script-in-unison

PerkingFaintly · 10/11/2024 10:14

Actually I'm pretty sure I knew about the Sinclair thing from these very threads. I do remember stuff occasionally!

PerkingFaintly · 10/11/2024 10:21

Oh sorry, the bit I left out is that after the Sinclair message was broadcast, Trump then boosted Sinclair to his Twitter followers.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-sinclair-broadcasting-fake-news-tweets-twitter-a8285096.html

SerendipityJane · 10/11/2024 11:26

Belated PMK.

PerkingFaintly · 10/11/2024 11:47

I agree strongly with you that reporting on trans issues needs to be better, @lifeturnsonadime .

As you say, the press and judiciary are scared about how to handle it, and it affects rightwing press as well as leftwing press. It's something we all urgently need an unpacking of.

But the dichotomy of rightwing/leftwing press – for vastly varying values of right/left – is a tale as old as time. Back when "the media" was newspapers run off a handpress (ie in the UK pre-1814) it was already the norm that they supported political positions and parties as their owners chose.

Looking at the current media landscape and where the weight of media ownership and support now lies is as important now as it was 200 years ago.

(And writing that, I realise that as ever the terms "left" and "right" to try to describe the lobbies is a not a very accurate tool. For many newspapers it would have been more accurate to say pro-free trade/pro-Corn Law; pro-abolition/pro-slavery; pro-women's suffrage/pro-excluding women.

I abhor the current strong attempts to nudge people into firm labels or teams of "left" or "right" and then slip in "You also have to agree with X position on Y issue because it belongs to this team". Er, no, ta all the same.)

Talkinpeace · 10/11/2024 13:16

The Brexit vote in the UK was not left right.
It was open borders v closed borders

This US election is even messier because of the way women's rights have been deemed right wing
at the same time as OTHER women's rights are destroyed by the right wing.

boatyardblues · 10/11/2024 15:26

Place mat king, for old time’s sake.

DuncinToffee · 10/11/2024 18:20

Problem solved

The grown-ups have left the building - Trump thread #136
Talkinpeace · 10/11/2024 18:50

Not sure Minnesota will want to become part of Tranada
but yes some of the surreal maps of the USA need to be dug out right now

CaveMum · 11/11/2024 10:40

Posted this on the old thread by mistake!

Interesting interview with General Petreaus on TRIP Leading today. He was in line for SoS under Trump but requested more sit downs to talk about particular issues before he would commit, so Trump got distracted and went for Tillerson instead.

pointythings · 11/11/2024 10:52

That's a glimmer of good news about Kari Lake.

SerendipityJane · 11/11/2024 11:03

pointythings · 11/11/2024 10:52

That's a glimmer of good news about Kari Lake.

Sadly not joined by Lauren Boebert.

Oh well.

BustingBaoBun · 11/11/2024 11:14

SerendipityJane · 11/11/2024 11:03

Sadly not joined by Lauren Boebert.

Oh well.

I was going to look this up. What a bugger, I thought she'd been arrested again for something?
What about Marjorie Taylor Greene, too much to hope she's gone...

SerendipityJane · 11/11/2024 12:11

BustingBaoBun · 11/11/2024 11:14

I was going to look this up. What a bugger, I thought she'd been arrested again for something?
What about Marjorie Taylor Greene, too much to hope she's gone...

I believe MTG is being tipped by MTG to be Head of Homeland Security.

Spandauer · 11/11/2024 12:20

You can't buy class or character.

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BustingBaoBun · 11/11/2024 12:31

SerendipityJane · 11/11/2024 12:11

I believe MTG is being tipped by MTG to be Head of Homeland Security.

Oh my golly good god.

As far as Don Jr. I find him very peculiar, very hyper, very rude, very unpleasant... I presume that's down to colombian marching powder his father's genes.

DuncinToffee · 11/11/2024 13:12

US President-elect Donald Trump has made two more key appointments ahead of his return to the White House in January.

Tom Homan, 62, will serve as Trump's "border tsar", having previously served as the returning president's acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice).

New York Congresswoman Elise Stefanik, 40, has also been made ambassador to the United Nations, the BBC's US partner CBS News has confirmed.

(BBC)

prettybird · 11/11/2024 13:31

Missed the new thread. Here's a depressing picture of ds' map, taken at 2.41 last Wednesday morning but at least his cat is in it Smile

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Spandauer · 11/11/2024 13:43

Oh, goody.

Elon Musk "has been seen at Mar-a-Lago nearly every single day since Donald Trump won, dining with him on the patio at times" and "weighing in on staffing decisions, making clear his preference for certain roles," Kaitlan Collins(CNN) reports

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DuncinToffee · 11/11/2024 14:04

Spandauer · 11/11/2024 13:43

Oh, goody.

Elon Musk "has been seen at Mar-a-Lago nearly every single day since Donald Trump won, dining with him on the patio at times" and "weighing in on staffing decisions, making clear his preference for certain roles," Kaitlan Collins(CNN) reports

One of the Trump grandkids was tweeting family photos with Musk in. One was of the whole family where Musk seemed to have replaced Melania.

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