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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
lechatnoir · 08/11/2024 14:37

Absolutely lost for words here OP. Your DIL should be running as far away from you & your son as possible and taking the children with her. And that's having heard your side of the story so I dread to think what's been really happening. Poor girl you are so so deluded it's almost incomprehensible.

Meadowfinch · 08/11/2024 14:37

Onlyvisiting · 08/11/2024 13:58

You seriously think bitching about someone behind their back to their extended family is somehow OK if you don't say it to their face? You sound awful, if this is the best spin you csn put on it from your pov then from hers I can't even imagine how bad you have been.
I'd leave you as far behind as humanly possibly and do my best to keep your vile behaviour away from the children for the rest of their childhood.

This.

Seriously OP, IF this isn't a reverse, you have to stop bitching about your DIL.

She is the mother of your DGCs. She is standing by your son when frankly it doesn't sound like he deserves it. It sounds like the poor woman has married into the family from hell. If it were me, I wouldn't want you within a country mile of my children.

If you want to ever have any relationship with your dgcs, just stop with the nastiness. Learn some manners. Learn to hold your tongue. Keep your opinions to yourself. Treat her with respect. And remember you have no rights over her children.

Keep going as you are, and you will lose your family.

Sorry, but you said you wanted advice !!.

glittereyelash · 08/11/2024 14:38

If this isn't a reverse you really need to take a long hard look at yourself. Why did you feel the need to constantly voice your dislike about your dIL and the things you said in those messages were disgusting and unforgivable. You are not a teenager, you're a grown woman learn to have some self awareness, accountability and keep your mouth closed.

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TerroristToddler · 08/11/2024 14:38

I'm usually far more relaxed with MIL dramas than most - I figure families are all different and its natural that different family styles (i.e., DPs family) will sometimes rub you up the wrong way.

HOWEVER

You sound like you have treated her utterly appallingly.
Your post is littered with 'I made the mistake of saying'... but you seem to repeatedly make the same 'mistake' so obviously are not learning from it, nor are you caring that each time you have been nasty your DIL has been hurt.
Given your DS's issues (which we don't know a lot about, only that its serious enough that he cannot be with his own kids without supervision by DIL), you have been stupid to continue to treat DIL with such disrespect if you plan to want to continue to see your grandkids.

Like I said, I'm a properly relaxed... no family drama type person. And I can say for sure that I wouldn't have put up with half of what you say she has put up with from you. There is also no chance I'd let you see my kids - I wouldn't be going out of my way to facilitate this for you in the slightest and I'd feel I owe you absolutely nothing. I'd feel justified in keeping my children away from someone who openly talks badly about me - just think if the kids overheard you being so disrespectful about their own mother.

This HAS to be a reverse as I fail to comprehend someone can be so completely blind to their own behaviour!

AuntieKraker · 08/11/2024 14:38

Your DiL is doing the right thing to keep herself and your grandchildren away from you. You sound like the MiL from hell and if this is your version events, then it’s fair to say you are most likely a lot worse than how you come across from here.

The only advice you can get is leave them alone.

thestudio · 08/11/2024 14:38

God Op, you are absolutely toxic.

Usually on here, people at least have the minimal self-awareness to leave out the bits that make them sound sociopathic.

Not you though - you're not even worried enough to hide any of it.

Hilarious.

Also I do love how you refer to whatever serious violent crime your son is about to be charged with - serious enough to warrant him being kept from his own children - as 'unfortunate'.

TiredCatLady · 08/11/2024 14:38

You’re an absolute piece of work OP.

What the hell did your precious son do that means he can’t be unsupervised around his own children? Maybe you want to focus on that.

DIL would be well advised to keep the kids and herself as far away from you all as possible.

chollysawcutt · 08/11/2024 14:39

They have had a religious marriage, not a legal one yet

Is she Meghan Markle?

SallyForf · 08/11/2024 14:39
Confused Little Girl GIF

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drivinmecrazy · 08/11/2024 14:39

chollysawcutt · 08/11/2024 14:39

They have had a religious marriage, not a legal one yet

Is she Meghan Markle?

😂

whathaveiforgotten · 08/11/2024 14:39

It's amazing to me that you're painting her as the villain of the piece when your son has done something bad enough that he is on bail and not allowed unsupervised access to his own children.

You obviously don't want to share what he's done, which is your prerogative, but people aren't silly - whatever he has done must be very very serious for him to be viewed as an unsafe person to be alone with his own children.

The fact you wrote your long first post, presumably read it back to yourself before posting and don't realise how badly you come across is baffling.

She's been patient and repeatedly forgiving. There's clearly a lot going on in your family for your son to be on bail and not allowed access unsupervised to his own kids and for you to be so reactive and unable to manage your emotional responses.

Maybe some counselling with someone who will speak to you as an objective outsider might be an idea.

Your son being on bail not allowed to see his children unsupervised should be your key worry at the moment. Not the fact she's understandably had enough.

What on earth did he do.

murasaki · 08/11/2024 14:40

For your son not to be allowed unsupervised contact with his children, he's clearly done something dreadful. I can't for the life of me think where he got it from.

Oh, wait....

Leave your DiL alone. You are everyone's worst nightmare.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 08/11/2024 14:41

Christ, she gave you about a million more chances than she should have done, and you managed to fuck up every single time.

The only thing you can do now is accept that you're unlikely to ever see your Grandkids again, because there's surely no coming back from this.

drivinmecrazy · 08/11/2024 14:41

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Appleblum · 08/11/2024 14:41

You sound horrible. I'm glad you're not my mil.

TallulahBetty · 08/11/2024 14:41

I call reverse.

Paganpentacle · 08/11/2024 14:41

Wow.
I don't blame her.
You've been slagging her off behind her back, on phone messages and in group situations and you think thats OK cos you didn't say it to her face.
You'd not get near my kids.

AuntieKraker · 08/11/2024 14:41

chollysawcutt · 08/11/2024 14:39

They have had a religious marriage, not a legal one yet

Is she Meghan Markle?

Haha so funny! 🙄

Ormally · 08/11/2024 14:41

Mimiconvos · 08/11/2024 14:27

If I thought for one second that my MIL was on a WhatsApp group with my husband and his siblings ripping me to shreds it would be the end of my marriage. What type of people do that to someone? What an utterly horrible bunch.

This, for sure.

From what she has found and heard over quite a while:
You didn't like her.
You haven't come round to liking her.
You think it's ok to tell quite a broad range of others your real feelings, and expect that they will help you to conceal this from her and put you first.

She has been quite measured in the reasoning she has given you, and it looks as if it's not at all unlikely that you would put her down to her children when she was not there.
If this hurts, then it is a sad situation, but I hope that you will learn from it - above all, not to gossip poisonously, and not to try to play pick-me with your son and GCs. It comes back to you.

5128gap · 08/11/2024 14:42

You keep saying you were new to things and had no experience of others...what do you mean? You are I imagine a woman in her mid life with decades of experience in navigating personal relationships. Yet time and again you have behaved in ways that have ruined your relationship with your DiL. What mature woman doesn't know that you should never gossip and back bite with one family member to another? That those you gossip with will in turn gossip to others? That if you don't want someone to know you've said something you never put it in writing? That a man must typically have done something a great deal more than 'unfortunate' to be refused his children?
Honestly OP, I don't know what you've been thinking. I doubt there is any way back for your DiL. But for the sake of the relationships you have left, stop bad mouthing people, and when you 'bite your tongue' make sure that means with whoever you're with. Your family cannot be trusted to not share what you tell them with each other and you are sitting at the centre of a Web of toxicity. You need to make this stop.

CocoDC · 08/11/2024 14:43

I think you just need to go to your DS, arrange a face to face meeting with dil, and just apologise one to one. Whether you mean it or not. If they’ve only had a religious marriage and DS is being investigated for something your DS might feel incredibly insecure - do whatever’s required to ensure you are in his and gc’s lives during this time.

Then stop sharing your every big and little opinion to others. If you don’t like dil that’s fine. Keep quiet and just use your influence in other ways.

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/11/2024 14:43

LittleOwl153 · 08/11/2024 14:16

The first thing your SON needs to do is get himself added to the birth certificate. Either by her signing the forms or him taking it to court. If he is the kids dad he needs the legals done.

Beyond that I think you need to take a big step back. Help your son back onto the right track - if he wants your help - then see where it goes. And keep your goddamn mouth shut!

Let's not give legal advice to a toxic MIL to give to her criminal son, shall we?

He's not safe to be around the children unsupervised because of his bail conditions. Giving him any more influence over their lives is a bad idea.

OP, a LOT of therapy is what you need. And possibly thinking about your style having created a man who can't see his children. Possibly not reproducing that with the GC is a good idea.

Attelina · 08/11/2024 14:43

'The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.'

I would too if my mother in law was a nasty, spiteful gossip.

You only have yourself to blame.

adiffer · 08/11/2024 14:44

Sorry OP but you are in the wrong and if my MIL behaved the way you have I would be NC with her too.

Your behaviour is not normal and I think you need to seek some sort of help.

Poor DIL

TheFormidableMrsC · 08/11/2024 14:44

This is bloody horrible. You reap what you sow in life. You're a dreadful MIL, really spiteful. You've got exactly what you deserve. I hope your SIL cuts the lot of you off and disappears. I hope she has plenty of support. Also, for your son not to be able to see his children unsupervised means he's committed a horrific crime. So you've dragged up an awful child too. Grim.