Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

381 replies

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
BeeCucumber · 08/11/2024 14:04

Team DIL

Autumndayz77 · 08/11/2024 14:04

I want to feel safe and secure in the family / friends / interactions I have. Kindness and integrity are values I live by. In your company, I would feel watched and judged, I would not be able to relax.

I would have gone no contact with you a long time ago. The fact that your own family are repeating what you say, shows those close to you do not agree with your behaviour.

I do not agree with talking about people (especially those you love and care for) behind their back. I wouldn’t want to be friendly with someone that did as you know you are next…

Pieandchips999 · 08/11/2024 14:05

So you didn't like your daughter in law from the start, treated her like dirt both to her face and through ganging up with others against her. She gave you chance after chance and discussed it with you openly and now she's had enough you think she's in the wrong. The son is being investigated due to an alleged offence that indicates he could be a risk to children and your big worry is your own contact

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

InformEducateEntertain · 08/11/2024 14:06

Pieandchips999 · 08/11/2024 14:05

So you didn't like your daughter in law from the start, treated her like dirt both to her face and through ganging up with others against her. She gave you chance after chance and discussed it with you openly and now she's had enough you think she's in the wrong. The son is being investigated due to an alleged offence that indicates he could be a risk to children and your big worry is your own contact

Edited

This!

Barbie222 · 08/11/2024 14:06

I think best to focus on getting your son in a good place and be quiet / respectful of your DIL's wishes. Reading between the lines she's been more than fair here.

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/11/2024 14:06

You interfered in their lives by openly expressing your dislike for her. You then discussed what you deemed to be her failings behind her back. Yet you are surprised she wants to have little to do with you?

You completely overstepped the mark. I am
a MIL and would never behave the way you did towards my SIL.

Mygreyhair · 08/11/2024 14:06

I think that your chickens have come home to roost, @namechanged8nov

It seems your DIL has given you the benefit of the doubt a few times but you’ve just reverted back to your usual behaviour.
I’m totally shocked that you think your behaviour is ok and that’s it how ‘most people’ act. It really isn’t. You’ve behaved appallingly.

Branleuse · 08/11/2024 14:07

You sound like a proper nasty gossip and shit stirrer.
I think you are just facing the consequences of your actions.
The conversations you had were not private conversations. They were bitching and gossiping in front of people. The fact that theyve gone amd told her, shows to me that the people you feel comfortable to rant and rave to, actually don't agree with you either.

I think your daughter in law has given you enough chances. Youve screwed up and I very much doubt this is fixable.

Mrsttcno1 · 08/11/2024 14:08

This has to be a joke surely? You’re very much in the wrong OP. Not a chance in Hell would I be bringing my children around someone who has very openly slagged me off not just once but repeatedly, calling me crazy, has been open about the fact she disapproves of me, my marriage, me as a person. Nope. Good for her for setting clear boundaries.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:08

Barbie222 · 08/11/2024 14:06

I think best to focus on getting your son in a good place and be quiet / respectful of your DIL's wishes. Reading between the lines she's been more than fair here.

I did tell them I would be respectful of whatever they decided

OP posts:
Pancakeflipper · 08/11/2024 14:09

You don't learn do you... bad mouthing her to others isn't decent behaviour and you continually do it. Overcand over.

If you were my MIL I'd be cutting you out of my life. I'd find it all too drama llama. I wouldn't trust you.

I'm sorry but to repair this is going to be very tricky. I should think the trust is broken.

MaggieFS · 08/11/2024 14:09

Oh my goodness, a reverse of a bot. How can someone get to be old enough to be a grandparent and be this naice about social interactions.

IT IS NOT OK to talk so badly of someone behind their back or to their face. You seem to think that because "it was only to one person" or similar then it's ok? It's really not. And you are minimising whatever your son has done.

Bloody hell, no way I would want anything to do with you after the way you've behaved. You've shown poor sense of judgement, that you can't be trusted and no concept of the fact you actually want to like her or that you are sorry for what you've done. You're just sorry you got caught out and are annoyed you can't use her for access to GC.

MaggieFS · 08/11/2024 14:09

Hahaha. Naive not naice!!

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 08/11/2024 14:10

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Shmee1988 · 08/11/2024 14:10

Correct me if I am wrong but this sounds an awful lot like you slagged her off to anyone that would listen, including her own family. You then apologised when you wanted them to move closer to you. She forgave you? Complied with your wish to move closer and then you did the exact same thing again? And you think she's unreasonable for not wanting to see more of you. Bit nuts OP? sorry

PumpkinSly · 08/11/2024 14:10

Pieandchips999 · 08/11/2024 14:05

So you didn't like your daughter in law from the start, treated her like dirt both to her face and through ganging up with others against her. She gave you chance after chance and discussed it with you openly and now she's had enough you think she's in the wrong. The son is being investigated due to an alleged offence that indicates he could be a risk to children and your big worry is your own contact

Edited

Spot on.

AllYearsAround · 08/11/2024 14:11

Poor woman and poor kids!
Hope she goes no contact with you and your son.

VegTrug · 08/11/2024 14:11

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:52

How so? As long as nothing is said to her face I don't see what I did wrong. I keep my distance, I barely ever call or go to theirs, I give them space. I even bought her gifts recently.

Sometimes in-laws don't get along with each other, it happens, there's no need to take dramatic and drastic measures and go no contact.

My in-laws treated me like rubbish, I was still polite and courteous with them.

Edited

sayimg things behind her back and not to her face is worse!! 🤦🏼‍♀️

That poor woman. Your son sounds dangerous also. For him to not be allowed unsupervised contact, be on bail and have social services involved, means he almost certainly will have either abused that poor child or been violent.

That poor woman needs to take her kid and RUN

Error404pagenotfound · 08/11/2024 14:11

You reap what you sow.

I would do exactly the same as your DIL has. Reflect on why you have such a vile tongue and try to learn from it. She gave you more than enough chances and nothing changed, you apologies and then slagged her off again.

You have done this to yourself.

Ponderingwindow · 08/11/2024 14:12

Op, this either has to be a reverse, is made up, or you need some very serious therapy because you are in the running for worst MIL of the year. Even if these were private conversations, they didn’t happen in the distant past. The last year or two is very recent.

you should be focusing on the fact that you have a son who did something bad enough to lose unsupervised contact with his children. You should be focusing on the fact that you have a son that would have a religious ceremony with a woman but not bother to marry her legally.

Your DIL on the other hand is caring for two young children while saddled with this man for a father for her children. You should be thanking her profusely for shouldering that burden.

SilverDoe · 08/11/2024 14:12

You're not being objective at all, you've been absolutely awful to that woman.

Dismissing hurtful and damaging things you've said and done and being angry that other people won't get over it because you don't care and it hasn't bothered you is such classic narc behaviour.

A mother needs to have a support network around her, not a toxic environment.

Just being honest, I'd run an absolute mile from you if I were her.

Mumofteenandtween · 08/11/2024 14:12

What the hell has your son been accused of that means he cannot have unsupervised contact with his own children? I know of a number of ken who have done some pretty horrific things who still get access to their kids.

UngratefulOldCabbage · 08/11/2024 14:13

You’re a nasty gossiping cow, your darling son is some sort of criminal - your DIL should run from the lot of you. Hope that helps.

standardduck · 08/11/2024 14:13

The only person who sounds crazy in this scenario is you.

Talking about someone behind their back is even worse than telling them how you feel about them to their face. At least have a courage to be honest with her.

I think she is right to be worried you would talk badly about her in front of her kids.

I would not allow my children to be around you.

You should be embarrassed.

standardduck · 08/11/2024 14:14

And honestly, I would be running away from your son too. What did he do (or is accused of)?