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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
Cuppaor2 · 08/11/2024 14:14

If I was your DIL I would’ve ran away from you all! You all sound co-dependent and awful!

Tbry24 · 08/11/2024 14:14

All I can say is your poor poor poor DIL. All of that from you and then the father of her children can’t be left alone with them. She will be best off just focusing on herself and her babies.

Smithhy · 08/11/2024 14:15

It sounds like DIL has given you chance after chance, she’s forgiven you of your past comments but you continue to dig your hole bigger and bigger every opportunity you get.

You sound very toxic to be around and I wouldn’t let you be around my children either if I was in her shoes.

And if your son has bail conditions not allowing him to be unsupervised with his own children then that’s quite serious and worrying.

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MissCordeliasCoats · 08/11/2024 14:15

You seem to believe that your behaviour is acceptable. It isn't. Bitching about people behind their backs, all having a little gleeful dig is appalling. You are all so used it you don't realise it is a horrible character trait to have.

The way you treat people you do not like says a lot about you as a person. You were awful to her face, then behind her back, again with other family members and you excuse it with doesn't everyone and also because you were treated badly it is fine for her to be treated badly.

I really don't think there is any coming back from this for you and your DIL. I would run for the hills if I had a MIL like you.

TTPDTS · 08/11/2024 14:16

This sounds like an absolute shit show!

If you can't see that you're the huge issue here, there's no helping you. Combine you being the problem + your son being on bail conditions and your DIL has got a lot on her plate, poor thing! She's given chance after chance and you've not learnt from your mistakes.

If you called me crazy / bitched about me / said I only wanted to sleep around / said my husband shouldn't marry me / talked about me multiple times to multiple people despite it blowing up in your face, then you'd not be seeing me or my family either.

averylongtimeago · 08/11/2024 14:16

Good grief- an object lesson in not what to do as a Mil!

No wonder she doesn't want to see you!

LittleOwl153 · 08/11/2024 14:16

The first thing your SON needs to do is get himself added to the birth certificate. Either by her signing the forms or him taking it to court. If he is the kids dad he needs the legals done.

Beyond that I think you need to take a big step back. Help your son back onto the right track - if he wants your help - then see where it goes. And keep your goddamn mouth shut!

Rickrolypoly · 08/11/2024 14:17

You really are a nasty piece of work. I would have cut you and your dead beat jail bird of a son dead long ago.

freddyfluffball · 08/11/2024 14:17

Someone said to me not long ago, that actions have consequences.

These are the consequences of your actions.

NotStayingIn · 08/11/2024 14:18

The reason people are telling her you’re bitching about her behind her back is because they think you are also bitching about them behind their backs.

So they don’t trust you and they don’t like you. They might pretend they do, but their actions show otherwise.

FloralCrown · 08/11/2024 14:19

"My ILs were vicious to me and I took it" is no excuse to be vicious to your DIL.

You know exactly how it feels to be on the receiving end of such behaviour, but you're pissed off that your DIL has better boundaries than you have and isn't allowing it to continue.

Abused people often turn into abusers, that's a sad reality, but that doesn't mean your DIL should just take your abuse (whether it's to her face or behind her back).

You sound like an utterly vile person OP, and I wouldn't want you in my DCs life either.

Jingleballs2 · 08/11/2024 14:20

You sound like my MIL, we don't see each other either..

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:21

Jingleballs2 · 08/11/2024 14:20

You sound like my MIL, we don't see each other either..

Does she see your kids?

OP posts:
Meamie · 08/11/2024 14:21

Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have

You were not new to adult life. You bitch about people, they found out. You sound unpleasant

Gymnopedie · 08/11/2024 14:21

But there is no need to tell someone that something negative was said about them.

You blabbed first. If you can't keep your mouth shut why should anyone else?

Sparklfairy · 08/11/2024 14:21

JackieGoodman · 08/11/2024 13:56

So you think talking about her behind her back is ok?!
Is this a reverse?

The thing is, she's not only bitched about DIL behind her back, but to her face as well as far as I can see:

I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

If this is real, you are a nightmare MIL. Your son doesn't sound great either. If it wasn't domestic abuse what was it? Drugs? Your DIL should leave him and move far, far away from you all.

Toastghost · 08/11/2024 14:21

I learned in high school what happens when you gossip about someone in front of an equally gossipy audience. It sounds like you never learned that lesson..!

stop slagging her off for a few years and you can continue like adults.

Comtesse · 08/11/2024 14:21

What the hell has your son been doing to be on bail?? He sounds dreadful and OP not much better - why are you so indiscreet so often with so many people?

You will be lucky to have any relationship with the grandchildren. You have brought a lot of this on yourself, sorry to say.

Slobberchops1 · 08/11/2024 14:22

Either this is made up
or you are delulu- team DIL . She’s protecting herself and children from frankly batshit people

Meamie · 08/11/2024 14:23

I am sure things are said about me behind my back

Oh I’d put money on that being the case

QforCucumber · 08/11/2024 14:24

I'll go through your posts step by step @namechanged8nov and maybe then you'll see the issues -

To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her your view is already skewed here
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I do have to wonder what you said to her directly?
A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. in what way? Because you told him she was wrong for him?

I asked them to move closer so they could have family support but you don't like her so what support are you offering?

She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated which I found unfair YOU found it unfair that she didn't want to be around someone who clearly doesn't like her?

where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. I absolutely do not blame her for this, if I found out my MIL was saying this about me I'd hit the roof too, no matter how long ago it was, you are supposed to be her family!!!

Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, but plenty behind her back

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children that's not an unfortunate thing, that is absolutely and completely serious how can you shrug that off?

They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. did you say these things about her?

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them. I agree with her feelings here, why should she think you wouldn't do that? What have you done to show her kindness and show her that you WONT do that?

I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all. that's his fault, not hers

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way but not sorry for saying all those horrible things?

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. no, they're being protected, by the only person who actually seems to care about protecting them

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth why? or at the birth registry why? so he is not on his second child's birth certificate They're married, he doesn't need to be present to be on the birth cert

Rickrolypoly · 08/11/2024 14:25

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:21

Does she see your kids?

Trust me, even if she lets you see the kids, they grow up and soon realise what a nasty cow you are and how disrespectful you are to their mother. They wont want anything to do with you.

PrimalOwl10 · 08/11/2024 14:26

She needs to run as fast as she can
. You reap what you sow.

KittyPup · 08/11/2024 14:26

You sound like total poison. I hope she steers as far away from you as possible and she keeps her children away from you also. Based on your description of the situation, you don’t deserve a relationship with any of them.

Completelyjo · 08/11/2024 14:26

You say “this is new to me” so many times, but it’s just dealing with another human. You treated her badly, spoke badly of her to her face and to others. You’re being very particular with the wording surrounding your son but the reality is you don’t get in a situation with no unsupervised contact with your children for nothing.
If I was your DIL I would be steering clear of you and your entire family.

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