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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

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TinyGingerCat · 08/11/2024 14:45

Wow you admit that you told her face to face what you thought about her but then try to qualify this by saying had you known what you know now, you wouldn't have done. So as far as you're concerned this is all "water under the bridge". Newsflash OP you can't tell someone what you think of them, and then claim that because you wish you hadn't that this is all water under the bridge. I'm going to tell you now I think you are a fucking nightmare, then I'm going to tell you that thinking about it I probably shouldn't have said that. Oh you're upset by me calling you a fucking nightmare? You can't be because I've told you I shouldn't have said that and it's now all water under the bridge. FFS your DIL should run a mile.

ZoeCM · 08/11/2024 14:45

I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her. I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her

Holy shit, you told her you didn't like her? That was horrible, especially given that the basis of your dislike was "a bad feeling" rather than anything she had actually done. How would you like it if you were on the receiving end of that?

You keep blaming your daughter-in-law for not letting you walk all over her. You need to stop this and take responsibility for your own actions. You've behaved appallingly.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:45

CocoDC · 08/11/2024 14:43

I think you just need to go to your DS, arrange a face to face meeting with dil, and just apologise one to one. Whether you mean it or not. If they’ve only had a religious marriage and DS is being investigated for something your DS might feel incredibly insecure - do whatever’s required to ensure you are in his and gc’s lives during this time.

Then stop sharing your every big and little opinion to others. If you don’t like dil that’s fine. Keep quiet and just use your influence in other ways.

thank you for your advice
what do you mean by insecure? Do you think he is forced to make a decision he isn't happy with?

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didistutter56 · 08/11/2024 14:46

I mean, it’s just tough shit isn’t it. I’m tired of people like you who think they can run their mouth, say whatever they feel because “I’m entitled to my opinion” and everyone else has to suck it up and consider it water under the bridge!

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 08/11/2024 14:46

Though not on the scale of this, my FIL was very unkind to me when I was pregnant. He made bitchy comments and jokes, bullied me about my appearance, and this continued after the birth.

I call bullshit that you "needed to learn" not to say mean things.

Decent people don't need to learn not to say spiteful, bitchy and unwelcome things to a woman or about a woman who is going through possibly the most vulnerable time of her life.

It doesn't matter how long ago - it speaks a lot to your character that you targeted her at a weak time in her life.

lechatnoir · 08/11/2024 14:46

thestudio · 08/11/2024 14:38

God Op, you are absolutely toxic.

Usually on here, people at least have the minimal self-awareness to leave out the bits that make them sound sociopathic.

Not you though - you're not even worried enough to hide any of it.

Hilarious.

Also I do love how you refer to whatever serious violent crime your son is about to be charged with - serious enough to warrant him being kept from his own children - as 'unfortunate'.

YES!!! This. your lack of self-awareness is really quite staggering

Anothernamechane · 08/11/2024 14:47

Oh god. Are you the woman with a Ukrainian DIL? Because you make yourself sound awful in every post

ZoeCM · 08/11/2024 14:47

Also, you don't get to decide that telling her you dislike her is "water under the bridge"! That's for her to decide. You're the one who wronged her.

ChocolateMagnum · 08/11/2024 14:47

This is horrible :( Your poor daughter-in-law. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near anyone who spoke about me the way you've spoken about her. And she keeps finding out things you've said about her! Why would she want her children around you when you slag her off to other people and may well do so to her children? And the issues with your son!? This all sounds extremely dysfunctional. However, my basic answer to your question is that your DIL has been extremely reasonable and patient with you and you have thrown it back in her face repeatedly. She is very sensible to go no contact with you.

Magicpaintbrush · 08/11/2024 14:48

You are very two-faced OP - that may sound harsh but it's the truth. You have said some really terrible things about your DIL and seem to justify it because you think she won't find out you've said it, so that makes it okay? Nope. If I was her I would have absolutely nothing to do with you either. And I wouldn't allow you to see the grandchildren either, because you clearly let your mouth run away with you, chances are you would bad mouth her in front of them. I wouldn't trust you an inch. You have made your own bed, now you have to lie in it. Your extended family sound like a bunch of shit stirrers as well. Toxic family.

ZoeCM · 08/11/2024 14:48

Actually, the more I read of this, the more I think it has to be a reverse.

Potentialmadcatlady · 08/11/2024 14:48

I wouldn’t let you anywhere near my children if you were my mil.
You have repeatedly bad mouthed her. Once I could forgive but not the repeated ‘I didn’t know better’.
I take it you are a grown woman so saying you were inexperienced is not an excuse and I would be letting my kids near a woman who told everyone how little she thought of me repeatedly.
You seem to blame everyone except yourself for what has happened

WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 08/11/2024 14:49

Far too much drama, gossiping and bitching. I wouldn’t want my children spending time with someone who thought so little of me. This isn’t the fault of people who told her what you said, it’s your fault for saying what you did. Though I have to say, your son gets off lightly, despite the fact that he appears to have done something that prevents him having unsupervised contact with his children. I’d be more angry and upset about that to be honest.

Mamma2837 · 08/11/2024 14:49

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:57

I never said that. That was wrong of me, I know for a fact. But there is no need to tell someone that something negative was said about them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I am sure things are said about me behind my back, i am just not interested in finding out as it changes my life in zero way.

But your opinions are still getting back to her and hurting her, over and over. If you can't trust the people around you not to tell her then you shouldn't be speaking of her. The consequence is that she will cut you off. And her children are young now, but this kind of bad mouthing would over time reach her children too, by your relatives or directly from you, if you're unable to control what you say.

I honestly can't blame her from staying away and wanting to protect her kids.

fussygalore118 · 08/11/2024 14:49

Gosh you sound like a bloody nightmare! I don't blame her keeping her distance.

ScaryGrotbag · 08/11/2024 14:50

Isn't your DIL Ukrainian? Didn't you post this a few months back? Well you reap what you sow. You are not entitled to see your grandchildren if you cannot show their mother a modicum of respect. And to refer to whatever your son did as "unfortunate" shows complete minimisation of the situation.

SirChenjins · 08/11/2024 14:50

Your poor DiL - and good for her for standing her ground. Your entire family sound like something out of a soap opera and she's quite right for keeping the hell away from you all.

Badburyrings · 08/11/2024 14:50

Team DIL, you sound like an absolute lunatic OP.

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:50

ZoeCM · 08/11/2024 14:45

I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her. I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her

Holy shit, you told her you didn't like her? That was horrible, especially given that the basis of your dislike was "a bad feeling" rather than anything she had actually done. How would you like it if you were on the receiving end of that?

You keep blaming your daughter-in-law for not letting you walk all over her. You need to stop this and take responsibility for your own actions. You've behaved appallingly.

The bad feeling was to do with her behaviour.
She has a face of thunder, does nothing around the house, never says hi, wakes up and storms out without saying anything to anyone, she is untidy and dirty, she IS bad.
My son would go visit her and not come back until one in the morning.
She created issues from day one.

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Jl2014 · 08/11/2024 14:50

You sound pretty toxic tbh, OP. I think she is quite right to keep her children away from you. You don’t seem to learn from your mistakes and it actually sounds like she’s given you a fair few chances.
Also sounds pretty dodgy with your son. You don’t get supervised access removed for nothing.
I think she’s probably better off away from your whole family.
Feathers in the wind

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:50

ScaryGrotbag · 08/11/2024 14:50

Isn't your DIL Ukrainian? Didn't you post this a few months back? Well you reap what you sow. You are not entitled to see your grandchildren if you cannot show their mother a modicum of respect. And to refer to whatever your son did as "unfortunate" shows complete minimisation of the situation.

No, she is from an Arab country

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Cocolapew · 08/11/2024 14:51

You and your son both sound like horrors, you'd be nowhere near my DCs if I was your DIL.
Stop talking about her to people its not that hard to do ffs.

Ultravox · 08/11/2024 14:51

I cannot fathom how someone can have so little self awareness or realise that actions have consequences.

You have repeatedly been two faced bitch towards your DIL and I am not surprised she doesn’t want to see you ever again.

Your son has obviously done something seriously wrong to be denied access to the children.

It sounds like your DIL and the grandchildren would do much better without either of you in their lives.

kirinm · 08/11/2024 14:51

You sound awful frankly. There is not a chance I'd be having anything to do with you,

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:51

ZoeCM · 08/11/2024 14:47

Also, you don't get to decide that telling her you dislike her is "water under the bridge"! That's for her to decide. You're the one who wronged her.

But people change and learn. I know I've changed and learned a lot.

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