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Tension with DIL - can't see grandchildren anymore

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namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:46

I don't know what to do and I'm looking for advice.
I'm going to try to be as honest and objective as I can.

My son married my daughter in law a little over three years ago.
To be honest I didn't want the marriage to happen, I didn't like her, I had a bad feeling about her since the day I met her, but there was nothing I could do as my son really loved her.
I made the mistake of being quite direct with her about the way I viewed her. I had no experience back then, and if I could go back I would, but what is done and is done and I considered it water under the bridge.

A few months into their marriage, she got pregnant and the relationship between them started going sour. My son, his siblings and I are very close and often discuss issues, try to resolve them, or simply vent as a family.
I tried to hide my issues with her for the sake of my son and my grandchild and things seemed to get better between us.

When my grandchild was born, things seemed to get a lot better between us, I asked them to move closer (they moved to the other side of the UK for my son's job) so they could have family support (her family lives abroad), they called me to have a "heart-to-heart". She said during that call that she was reluctant to move closer because of "the way she was treated" (which I found unfair, because we did have our fond moments and a great time together, I found it unfair to brush the whole thing away, but I bit my tongue) and that my extended family, whom I stupidly confided in, told her what I said about her behind her back. I was mortified. Again, I was new to all of that and I know I should not have. I don't know who exactly told her all that, but I apologised and she said she would consider the move. The thing is she holds a lot of grudges and doesn't let go.

A few months later, she texts me out of the blue to tell me she had found text messages on my son's phone of a group chat where his brother, my son and I talked about her (back when she was pregnant that is, so there would have to have been some digging). Her text message was something along the lines of "I found text messages where you all said you never wanted the marriage to happen after saying that I had no intention of marrying your son and just wanted to sleep around, that I was not respectable, that I was going to take all his money, to keep his money away from me, that I was after his passport, etc etc..." and that although she wouldn't object to seeing our grandchild, she didn't want to have anything to do with us and that she wasn't going to join us for Christmas". All in all a very dramatic text for something that happened WITHIN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS a YEAR AGO. The rule was basically that I could go to my son's house, my grandchild would come to see us with his dad, but that she wouldn't join in.

I had my in-laws around when she sent me the text message and I made the mistake of reading it aloud to them. I was very shaken and admittedly quite angry as it meant they were probably not going to move closer anymore, and that new drama started, and I impulsively said in front of them that she was crazy, that she was a bad person and that she was looking for problems scrolling through messages to find conversations that had occurred, once again, a year prior.
Again, nothing hostile was ever said to her face since the day they moved out, I was always kind and courteous to her from that moment. My opinions were shared within private conversations AWAY from her.

I bit my tongue again and tried to give her a call to apologise and asked my son if we could speak to her, but she wouldn't respond.
A couple of months later I came to their house, spoke to her, and things seemed to go back to normal. They moved closer.

In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.

My son came to my house, found an old phone in a box and asked if he could take it to let my daughter in law borrow it because hers was broken and they couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. I allowed it, but shortly after, I got a notification that my Instagram was getting logged into. I called my son who told me it wasn't possible as she wasn't on my phone at that moment and that he had wiped it clean. I obviously didn't say anything to him after that.
I called my other son and expressed my concerns that everything was being logged into and that dodgy things were happening on my phone, and I was obviously very worried about what she was doing. He called my other son and my son came to give me back my phone despite my insistence to let her keep it.

The mistake I made was that my in-laws were there for both these conversations.

Life continued as normal until a few weeks later at a family function. I greeted my son and DIL, played with my grandchildren, all seemed normal up until the end where she looked a bit off. They left.
My son calls me back later that day to ask to have a chat, my daughter-in-law is there with him.
She tells me someone (I don't know who) walked up to her during the function and told her that things were still being said about her. They told her I called her a very bad person, a crazy woman, that she was looking for problems, that I said she was dead to me, that she had crazy episodes, etc... I felt absolutely humiliated and told off like a child. She also told me someone else told her I had been discussing her intimacy with them (I only discussed that matter with ONE person, who wouldn't have told her, so I have no idea how she found out), she refused to tell me who it was but told me that she wouldn't come. I tried to calm things down during the conversation but it didn't work. She was adamant I was not telling her the truth and she wouldn't budge.

She said this time she was going no-contact with me, and because of the unsupervised ruling, this obviously means I will not be seeing the grandchildren.
But it gets worse. She said that "because I felt comfortable speaking ill of her and spreading lies in front of everyone else" she believed I would speak ill of her in front of her children, and that she didn't want me to see them at all, even once my son is allowed to be supervised with them.

My son said he approved of the decision and he had to stand by his wife.
I believe he is being coerced into this, he "HAS" to stand by his wife.
I also believe he is scared that if he says no to his wife, he will only be able to see his children in a contact centre or maybe not at all.

I don't know what to do, I have enough problems as is, my son has enough problems as is, and life as it is is hard enough for all of us without this being added to our circumstances.

I tried to reassure her, told her I was sorry she felt that way, that she was a brave woman and that I liked her, but she wouldn't budge.

My son has tried calling me a few times since but I haven't replied yet. I don't know what to say or what to do going forward.

My grandchildren, whom I adore, are being used as a weapon. This has nothing to do with them. I don't understand why I can't see them.

To add, my son wasn't allowed to be there at the hospital during birth or at the birth registry, so he is not on his second child's birth certificate, which makes things all the more complicated for him.

OP posts:
AgileGreenSeal · 13/11/2024 15:42

LittleRedRidingHoody · 08/11/2024 13:55

This has to be a reverse, surely?

That was my thought too.

Islandgirl68 · 13/11/2024 15:51

@namechanged8nov not if they are an adult. As long as they are not waking up the whole street with unacceptable behaviour, then they should be able to come in anytime. My son who is now 18 goes out and comes in in the early hours, and as long as he comes in quietly and does not wake anyone, there should not be a problem.

ThisZanyPinkSquid · 13/11/2024 16:19

So let me get this straight…you have spoke about her behind her back and said very nasty and unforgivable things…but because you never said them to her face it’s ok?

ALSO….because your in-laws were mean to you, you essentially think that she should shut up and put up?

Your son also doesn’t HAVE to do anything for you. I am surprised he hasn’t gone no contact to be honest. He has clearly discussed this with his PARTNER…..the mother of HIS kids and you still think it’s all her.

How can you not see your part in this? You have said nasty things behind her back and because it wasn’t to her fave it’s ok? I agree with the kids not being around you as you don’t seem to see your part in all this or be held accountable for it!!

Sorry but you have come across as a right monster in law here 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Hobnobswantshernameback · 13/11/2024 16:21

There have been several threads like this on here recently.
Some claim to be reverses.
all very odd

Mamabear487 · 13/11/2024 16:24

I don’t blame her tbh. You sounds like an awful MIL.

BuildbyNumbere · 13/11/2024 16:25

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:52

How so? As long as nothing is said to her face I don't see what I did wrong. I keep my distance, I barely ever call or go to theirs, I give them space. I even bought her gifts recently.

Sometimes in-laws don't get along with each other, it happens, there's no need to take dramatic and drastic measures and go no contact.

My in-laws treated me like rubbish, I was still polite and courteous with them.

Edited

🤣🤣🤣 you and your son sounds nuts!!
You need to learn to keep your mouth shut … just because you were treated like rubbish doesn’t mean you can do it to her, and it’s just as bad, if not worse, saying things behind her back and not too her face.
DIL should stay well clear of you … you sound pretty nasty and vindictive tbh!!

Emmz1510 · 13/11/2024 16:44

So you’ve repeatedly slagged her off behind her back (but it’s ok because it was behind her back) and to her face and for some reason your son is not allowed unsupervised contact?
Yeah you sound lovely and so does your son.
Im a social worker and no unsupervised contact never means anything good. He’s either abused the children, exposed them to domestic violence or been involved in drugs. Nice.

HobbyHorse30 · 13/11/2024 17:31

Let me get this straight: your son is subject to police investigation and bail conditions of a nature which preclude him from unsupervised contact with children (frankly this should be your biggest concern), you bitch about your DIL to anyone who will listen regardless of the fact that you know from experience it will get back to her, you think your DIL is responsible for ensuring your adult son is home at a reasonable time arbitrarily set by you, you’re clear that you wish he’d never married her, you openly declare he could have done better, and yet you’re surprised that she hasn’t accepted your apology?

This is quite possibly the most audacious post I have seen for a very long time. Your lack of self-awareness is bewildering and it sounds like you’re absolutely oozing toxicity. Bravo, your DIL

SunnySideUK77 · 13/11/2024 17:42

I couldn’t read all your post - you lost me your total lack of self awareness and I was less experienced back then. At what? Being a decent person who doesn’t bad mouth people to others? Who cares if it was immediate family? That’s horrible

Toooldtopretend · 13/11/2024 18:53

Hmm, think there is a lot more to this. The below is not normal and seems to be completely swept under the carpet. Think I’d have no contact with anyone and just look after my kids if I was subject to all this drama!

“In the meantime, our second grandchild was born, and some unfortunate things happened and my son wasn't allowed to be left unsupervised with the children anymore, and my daughter-in-law is the only one who is allowed to supervise contact.”

unisexforreal · 13/11/2024 18:55

@namechanged8nov its painful reading your post. You appear very self unaware.

you don’t like your DIL. You have bad mouthed her several times. Even though you’ve told her you like her, you clearly don’t.

And yet you are reliant on her to see your grandchildren who you “adore”. And yet you don’t adore them enough to be respectful of her.

if I were being treated like that by anyone, they wouldn’t be seeing my children either. You sound far too toxic.

Botanybaby · 13/11/2024 19:47

This can not be real

Who in their right mind posts an absolute tirade of hate about their son's partner then gets shocked when she finds out and isn't happy and plays the victim saying that you didn't know it was wrong

You're old enough to have adult kids you're old enough to know basic manners

On top of this you think it's completely normal for your son to be only allowed supervised access to his kids for God knows what

You sound delusional and if I was the woman I would be moving back to where my family are and leave the lot of you high and dry

Botanybaby · 13/11/2024 19:56

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 13:52

How so? As long as nothing is said to her face I don't see what I did wrong. I keep my distance, I barely ever call or go to theirs, I give them space. I even bought her gifts recently.

Sometimes in-laws don't get along with each other, it happens, there's no need to take dramatic and drastic measures and go no contact.

My in-laws treated me like rubbish, I was still polite and courteous with them.

Edited

Are you ok?? How do you not realise slagging her off to all who will listen discussing her sex life and just being vile isn't ok or normal

Botanybaby · 13/11/2024 20:04

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:56

He isn't a criminal. He hasn't been charged with anything.
He had women lined up for him. My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture.

Ahhh so there it is it's about racism

Makes sense now

ThatSillyMintOrca · 13/11/2024 20:12

You sound entirely vile and I’ve got to agree with your daughter in law. Maybe get some help (counselling/ CBT etc) as you clearly need it. If you carry on like this other people in your life will no doubt do the same thing. Not normal behaviour at all.

Unicornsanddiscoballs91 · 13/11/2024 20:15

Sorry.

But you've got egg on your face.

You've been caught out.

I had a MIL like you, but she was a bit slyer. Ruined my life. She's my ex MIL now.

Starboy14 · 13/11/2024 20:17

I wouldn't let you anywhere near me or my children. She is right to steer well clear. You sound very abusive.

Unicornsanddiscoballs91 · 13/11/2024 20:17

JackieGoodman · 08/11/2024 14:03

If you are DIL, I don't blame you in the slightest for going no contact.

Me neither!

Unicornsanddiscoballs91 · 13/11/2024 20:19

VegTrug · 08/11/2024 14:11

sayimg things behind her back and not to her face is worse!! 🤦🏼‍♀️

That poor woman. Your son sounds dangerous also. For him to not be allowed unsupervised contact, be on bail and have social services involved, means he almost certainly will have either abused that poor child or been violent.

That poor woman needs to take her kid and RUN

If I'm disliked I'd rather know than making all that bloody effort and to still be hated.

ZoeDavoMCR · 13/11/2024 20:36

Sometimes you’ve really got to sit back and accept that you are a truly awful mother in law. I wouldn’t forgive you either and I’d rather you didn’t see my children if I was her

Nappster · 13/11/2024 21:16

Wow, you sound awful to her, really what has she done to you, I really don’t blame what she’s done and if it was me I’d move far away and cut all contact with you.

Spirallingdownwards · 13/11/2024 21:38

"unfortunate things that mean he can't see his children unsupervised". Hmmm

Noglitterallowed · 13/11/2024 22:53

This can absolutely not be real!!!!!!!
he can’t have unsupervised contact, you don’t think you did anything wrong, you said those things about her????

MONSTER IN LAW!!

just wow wow wow to be honest

Noglitterallowed · 13/11/2024 22:57

namechanged8nov · 08/11/2024 14:56

He isn't a criminal. He hasn't been charged with anything.
He had women lined up for him. My family says he could have gotten the most beautiful hard working woman from his own culture.

Are you high??? I need some of what you’re smoking!!

MrsRaspberry · 14/11/2024 00:02

You sound like a toxic MIL. Theres more to this story than you're letting on OP. It sounds very much to me like the only chance you're getting to see the grandchildren is if their mother is present for contact therefore if there is animosity between you and your sons wife she is well within her rights to not be around you meaning you are now unable to have contact with the grandchildren. Your son has some investigation going on that has triggered a police investigation which has brought in social services restricting him to supervised contact only. I'm guessing that your son is possibly no longer allowed to reside in the family home whilst his investigation is still ongoing and are they also preventing yourself from unsupervised contact incase you invite their dad around when hes not supposed to be around the children? Maybe if you'd been nicer to your daughter in law she wouldn't be so reluctant to visit you